I received e-mails from Jack O'Leary and David Lass, both of whom are on the AGA MC. In his message, which was also sent to the AGA MC, after stating his support for the Proposal, Jack writes: "2. I suggest that we waive the entry fee for AGA members. We really need to start demonstrating to our membership that they receive benefits other than TAG (I have received several comments/complaints regarding this lately). It seems to me that this is worthwhile, even if we spend $500 to $1,000 to promote and run the contest. After all, we should be spending our treasury to benefit our members." David's message was that he supported Jack's feelings 100%. While I appreciate the support, and realize that whether or not AGA members are charged an entrance fee is ultimately up to the AGA MC (this will end up costing them a lot more money), I am concerned about what this could mean for the possibility of holding this event again in future years. Here is an edited version of my response to Jack - I also sent it to the other MC members: --------- Thank you for your comments concerning the Proposal I submitted to the AGA MC for the AGA International Showcase & Contest of Aquascaping. If I may, I would like to address the few concerns that you raised - > snip - point #2, quoted above < Members of _all_ organizations grumble about receiving value for their membership fees. The _value_ that members receive from the AGA should flow from the fulfillment of the organization's goals, not from the occasional "freebie" thrown out to them. This event can benefit AGA members by truly meeting the stated goals of the organization: (1) to disseminate information about aquatic plants. (2) to study and improve upon techniques for culturing aquatic and bog plants in aquariums and ponds. (3) to increase interest in aquatic gardening. (4) to promote fellowship among its members. By displaying planted aquascapes along with other types of aquascapes, this event should show how much more beautiful a planted tank truly is and widen the interest in aquatic plants. The aquascaping information which we shall request from each entrant and display on the web site will help hobbyists learn better technique. The whole event should raise interest in aquatic gardening and the event will promote fellowship among ALL hobbyists, members and non-members alike. We had many, many, discussions surrounding the issue of entry fees and whether AGA members should receive preferential treatment via either a lower entrance fee or the waiving of entrance fees altogether. There are pros and cons for each argument, and I think that we discussed them all. I realize that the final decision on this remains with the members of the management committee, but as the chief author of this Proposal, I would like my views known to the entire MC. A _lot_ of work went into the planning of this Proposal. It is _not_ the work of a single individual but rather the collaborative effort of many individuals, some members of the AGA, but most who currently are not members of the organization. Perhaps through involvement in such a venture, they may join in the future. I don't think however, that the "perk" of free entry into an event of this kind is likely to sway anyone who is considering joining that they should do so. Or, for that matter, that a "perk" of this type is likely to cause current members to remain or renew their membership. This event was planned to further the "hobby", not as a perk for the AGA membership. It flows directly from the stated goals of the AGA, specifically: (3) to increase interest in aquatic gardening and (4)to promote fellowship among its members. The organization is the perfect sponsoring vehicle, primarily due to it's International membership and the fact that is independent of any commercial endeavor within the hobby. This event has the potential to become an annual or bi-annual event and to grow much larger than the initial round, limited as it is to a maximum of 300 entries (due to our fears of being swamped and overloaded with work). I would like to see it set up and run in a manner which enhances the work of the AGA and not as something which acts as an on-going drain to AGA financial resources. While the Budget is as detailed and finely tuned as we could make it, it is at this point only an approximation of what we _think_ it should be. We are going to have to go through at least one permutation of the event in order to see how accurate our predictions were. I think that both Karen and Erik can attest to the fact that I worried intensely about producing a Budget that was realistic while at the same time as accurate as possible. There are no hidden costs which should come out of the woodwork to bite us once we are underway, and if you read the notes which accompany the Budget carefully you will see that it may cost considerably less to run than envisioned, should the prize donors offer to give us Gift Certificates and/or Credit Vouchers rather than actual equipment which we would have to pay to ship throughout the world. Were the AGA MC to approve this Proposal with the provision that AGA members get to enter gratis, unless there is a limit placed on the ratio of AGA members / non-member submissions, we are likely to get a fully members-only event, something that was NOT envisioned by me from the start. There are MANY potential entrants who are NOT members of the AGA, or who may have never even heard of the AGA. The entry fee has been kept to a very modest amount, specifically so as to not act as a deterrent or impediment to potential entrants. Going without entrance fees for AGA members would also mean hitting the AGA treasury for a sizeable amount of money. Unless the AGA is prepared to provide the financial backing for this in future years as well, at either the same or an increased financial level, I would hope that the MC think long and hard before requiring that it be structured in a manner which is guaranteed to cause it to be a money losing venture right from the start. It would be very difficult to host an event that is free one year but then requires an entrance fee in future years. As it is currently structured, the event should pay it's own way with a subscription of approximately 50%. Should we receive the full 300 entries, it should realize a modest profit, which would flow to the AGA treasury. This money would be the AGA's to do with as it sees fit, but I would like to think that if this first round is a success, that the next time we do this, it could count on AGA support as well and the surplus from the first year could be applied to the costs of the second year. Eventually, this could become a non-issue as far as being a "cost" item for the AGA, as well as a very valuable beacon to the entire hobby for the AGA and it's work. > 3. Can I still enter if I have Karen photograph my tanks? As long as it is YOUR aquascape which is featured in the photographs, we do not care WHO took the pictures. Again, I would like to thank you for the time it took to review the Proposal and hope that you will continue your support of the project. Yours truly, James Purchase Toronto ---------------- I _hope_ that this message gets taken by the MC in the manner in which it was intended. Karen repeatedly suggested that a Proposal which was likely to cost a lot of money and act as a drain on the organizations limited financial resources would not likely receive approval. The Proposal which was submitted was structured to require only temporary financial support and would repay that support, hopefully almost doubling the investment. I don't intend this to be a money making venture for the AGA but feel that if it is going to be undertaken as an expensive "one time deal", we have worked since last summer for nothing. This thing CAN become an annual event. I hope that both Erik and Karen, while wearing their "hats" as members of this group understand this point and communicate that to the AGA MC while wearing their AGA "hats". James ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. 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