Oh gawd, I was afraid that this would happen...... I did some searching thru the archives and it seems that when we first started talking about Categories, we initially thought that it should be done on size more than anything else...... then the kind of divisions we have now slowly started to take shape, with the "gardens" being differentiated from "natural or biotope" (I remember a fight over the possibility of using "theme" tanks as a category). In hindsight, the use of the word "natural" might have been ill-advised, I think that I really meant "habitat".... But I did find the following from August, 1999...... "I don't know if _anything_ has been decided about regarding "categories", other than the fact that entries will be sorted into categories for both display and judging. In what I have posted recently, I have deliberately NOT mentioned the "sorts" of categories we will use because it seemed that whenever I did so before it got _someone_ upset. I think that because this is the first time we will be doing this showcase/contest event, going into it with too rigid a notion of what we will receive as entries might be a big mistake. If we announce a certain "category breakdown" in advance and then based on the entries received discover after the fact that an alternative scheme would be more suitable, we could find ourselves in a bind. Sort of like "backs to the wall, arms tied behind our backs...". At least for this year, it might be better to simply state that entries will be sorted and arranged into "like" or similar groups, where numbers warrant. Once we get the entries in hand, we can decide on how best to arrange them." Of course, we didn't exactly follow that.... because we DID eventually settle on some catergories, only we didn't pay much attention to actually making exact definitions of each one...... I'm not on anyone's side here - it will ultimately be up to the judges - if WE misclassify any entry (by changing what the hobbyist has requested) and the judges slam the entry because it doesn't fit the judging criteria, then WE end up with egg on our faces. We HAVE published the judging criteria - there are 20 points at risk on Selection and Use of Materials: - Are the materials selected for use within the aquascape appropriate for use in an aquarium? - Are the various materials harmonious with one another? i.e. if several rocks and/or pieces of driftwood are used, do they compliment one another or do they produce a discordant effect? NOWERE, does it ask the judges to rate the contents of the aquascape to be STRICTLY in keeping with a biotope. So I can't see where the judges would be justified in saying "that plant doesn't belong in that type of biotope"....... at least, not if the judges are following the guidelines we have all agreed upon. Then again, I'm not one of the judges, and they may have other ideas..... This is falling into one of those "expected hitches" areas that we KNEW would come up and which will have to be fixed after the fact for furture years. James ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest When asked, log in as username is "aga-contest", and password "lookie-loo".