The figures I posted several days ago obviously lost most of you, and to tell the truth they didn't help me much either... I have since posted the individual prizes and their estimated values which we have to distibute, so that you can all see the task I/we face. But anyone thinking that just seeing that list of "goodies" will make things easy is in for a shock. I really think that in order for this to be fair, we have to work out some sort of proportional scheme which considers the number of entrants in each category. The suggestion I made the other day was a start, but upon reflection I don't think that it goes far enough. For example, the "Aquatic Gardens - Small" category was treated the same (regarding prize valuation) as the "Aquatic Garden - Large and Medium" categories, even though there are only 8 entries in the Aquatic Garden - Small category. I think that the scheme I originally proposed would leave me (and by extension, us) open to charges of favouring Aquatic Gardens over other types of aquascapes. So..... back to the calculator...... This time around, I took the number of entries in EACH Category (earlier I had done it by CLASS), added them up and then by simple division, came up with a ratio which I then multiplied by the total dollar value of the prizes we have to distribute. this resulted in "Ideal 1" in the table below. As the values of the actual merchandise we have does not necessarily match this figure, I next rounded these figures either up or down to the nearest logical figure. That brought me to "Ideal 2". The dollar values in "Ideal 2" represent an ideal weighted portion of the total prize pool, depending solely upon the number of entries within the Category (and thus, the amount of competition faced within that Category). But it is rare to award the same dollar value prize for win, place and show in anything, so I subtracted 1/3 of the amount from the 3rd place winner and added the same amount to the 1st place winners. This hopefully provides for some variation within each Category, depending upon whether the prize is for 1st, 2nd or 3rd place winners. I would appreciate it if you could look at this scheme and tell me if you think it is fair and reasonable. Please DON'T make reference to the actual prizes and their values yet. It is going to be VERY difficult to shoehorn the actual prizes into any scheme unless we are all agreed on how the scheme should work in the abstract first. For example, it might not be possible to make all of the "prize packages" both appropriate AND exactly matching the dollar figures shown here. My aim is to come as close as possible, but I can't guarantee that some might be out by $5.00 or $10.00, either up or down when I start plugging actual merchandise into the equation. Dollar Value Available for Distribution = $2619.50 Category Rank # Ratio #/Tot Ideal 1 Ideal 2 Adj Ideal 3 Gdn. Sm 1 8 0.0341880342 $ 89.56 $ 90.00 +1/3 $ 120.00 2 8 0.0341880342 $ 89.56 $ 90.00 $ 90.00 3 8 0.0341880342 $ 89.56 $ 90.00 -1/3 $ 60.00 Gdn. Med 1 26 0.1111111111 $ 291.06 $ 290.00 +1/3 $ 386.67 2 26 0.1111111111 $ 291.06 $ 290.00 $ 290.00 3 26 0.1111111111 $ 291.06 $ 290.00 -1/3 $ 193.33 Gdn. Lg. 1 28 0.1196581197 $ 313.44 $ 300.00 +1/3 $ 400.00 2 28 0.1196581197 $ 313.44 $ 300.00 $ 300.00 3 28 0.1196581197 $ 313.44 $ 300.00 -1/3 $ 200.00 Natural 1 4 0.0170940171 $ 44.78 $ 50.00 +1/3 $ 66.67 2 4 0.0170940171 $ 44.78 $ 50.00 $ 50.00 3 4 0.0170940171 $ 44.78 $ 50.00 -1/3 $ 33.33 Artificial 1 5 0.0213675214 $ 55.97 $ 60.00 +1/3 $ 80.00 2 5 0.0213675214 $ 55.97 $ 60.00 $ 60.00 3 5 0.0213675214 $ 55.97 $ 60.00 -1/3 $ 40.00 Paludarium 1 7 0.0299145299 $ 78.36 $ 80.00 +1/3 $ 106.67 2 7 0.0299145299 $ 78.36 $ 80.00 $ 80.00 3 7 0.0299145299 $ 78.36 $ 80.00 -1/3 $ 53.33 Tot 234 $2619.50 $2610.00 $2610.00 Comments welcome. James Purchase Toronto ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest When asked, log in as username is "aga-contest", and password "lookie-loo".