Erik "I forget if I've voiced my concerns on this already, but I don't really like the extra categories. Pond seems like dilution, because it's landscaping, not aquascaping, and Illustrations don't really seem to fit in the idea of aquascaping at all. They both seem to be added strictly for the purpose of getting pictures for TAG. All the other categories fit quite nicely with our idea of comparison of aquascaping techniques. These two just don't sit well with me. Anyway, just my opinion." No, you hadn't voiced your concern on this before - and I do remember that I asked for input and feedback on BOTH suggestions a while ago. I got only positive feedback on the Botanical Illustration idea and yes, it WAS my idea that it might provide some useful material for TAG. I understand that it is not related to "aquascaping". I'm pretty sure that there are a LOT of hobbyists who maintain garden ponds - they seems to surface every once and a while on the APD. Aquascaping is merely landscaping under water - go read some of Roger Miller's posts on aquascaping and you will see that he draws a lot of inspiration from landscapes and so does Amano. The Dutch approach of designing a tank reminds me very much of how a perennial border is laid out in a garden. There are probably many folks who might be able to subit stunning pictures of their ponds but who would never dream of submitting a picture of their algae infested aquarium. Accepting a photo of a single waterlily is, I'll admit, stretching things into the relm of "photo contest" but lets get real here - last year there were fewer entries than we got the first year. This is too much work for around 60 entries. My aim is to get more people involved in this - there isn't any more work involved for us if there are 10 entries or 100 entries, but the interest level in the whole thing will probably increase if we can get more people to actually submit _something_. I almost cringe when someone brings up "aquascaping" on the APD, because I know 2 things are going to happen - someone is going to mention "art" and that's going to freak out a lot of people, then someone else is going to mention "Amano" and that is going to intimidate most of the rest. People seem to have the impression that their stuff isn't good enough to submit. Participation is more important that walking away with a ribbon, and I'm trying to increase the avenues for people to participate in this. Maybe I'm trying to sneak things into people's minds thru the back door, but it ALL comes down to sharing what we love about this hobby with others. What I like might not be what you like, and what someone else likes might not be what either of us likes. But I think that we all might benefit from seeing, and sharing, what we individually find fascinating with others. That's why I started this in the first place and that's the ONLY reason I am interested in seeing it continue. If we DON'T get any entries in either of the new categories, they can be quietly dropped. But I think that we might uncover some interesting things and encourage a wider range of participation. If, as a side benefit, we can get some "filler material" that Karen can use for TAG in the way of drawings or "pretty pictures", that is a plus that in no way hurts our desire to improve the general practice of aquascaping aquariums. Go back to the main AGA website and review the purposes and goals of the organization - nothing there precludes us widening the focus of the Aquascaping Contest and if we can encourage participation from more AGA members, everyone will benefit. I remember something Olga Betts once told me about Steve Pushak's aquariums - she said that they looked like "plants underwater". I think that there are probably MANY people who that could be said of. Those people are hardly likely to submit an entry to an "aquascaping" contest but they _might_ just be able to submit something into another category in a more inclusive event. James ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest When asked, log in as username is "aga-contest", and password "second".