On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Roger Miller wrote: > Steve's suggestions actually would remove the category, but it would do so in > a different way. The guidelines effectively turn the biotope/nature aquarium > category into a separate contest; it would have different entrance > requirements and a different scoring system. The overall emphasis is so > different that it should probably even have different judges. > > I could come up with some specific comments, but I think it's more important > to first ask; do we want to go that far? I wrote an extensive reply to Steve's original document a few months ago. My feeling was, no, I don't think we have the interest at this point to run the biotope category this strictly. We don't even run the aquatic garden category this strictly. It would require the preparation of an entirely different contest, as you say, Roger. This would be good if we had the demand, but I don't think there's enough interest at this point. BUT...I also do not believe the biotope category is a useless part of the contest. Certainly not the way the "pond" and "illustration" category were, just grafted on because it's a "contest". The intention was to have designs shown off in this category just as in the others, just different types of designs. We would still have the artificial category, save for the fact that people who enter are too saavy to aquascape with plastic plants and there's been zero interest in the last 2 years. What I really would like to see is some of the good concepts from Steve's document evolve into a "guidelines for entering a biotope aquarium." ... something that would inspire someone to get "the right idea" or try just a little harder. Likewise, the same guidelines could be given to the judges for the same purpose. For instance: The biggest gap (to me) between Steve's document and the realities of our contest is the section on "Biotope Classification". We just don't have the interest to split the category into the four classifications. But the classifications themselves are very helpful to explain to prospective entrants who might thin, for instance, that the best one can do with a biotope emulation is to use all plants from Asia. It made things much clearer to ME, and I've been looking at them for five years. So in a guidelines doc, it could be explained and noted that as one travels further down the list of categories, one gets further away from a true biotope and would most likely be given a lower weighting in the eyes of the judges. "Theme Tank" is of course what 70% of the entrants are actually entering, so it can't be knocked off the list. :) What didn't I see in the document is anything on REALLY inappropriate entries in the category. Maybe we could mock some up so as not to embarrass or tick off a former entrant, but I would really like to get across the most common problems: 1) arbitrarily-chosen fish and plants from different waters (or even continents!), 2) aquariums that have absolutely no sense of design entered merely because they aren't "good enough" for the aquatic garden category. - Erik -- Erik Olson erik at thekrib dot com ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest When asked, log in as username is "aga-contest", and password "second".