Re: [AGA Contest] More proofing -- Banners and Posters and Flyers and nits thereupon

["S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>]

--- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:
> Thanks Scott!  Comments inline...
> 
> On Fri, 21 May 2004, S. Hieber wrote:
> Ah, now I get it.. this must be "Submission
> Guidelines"...

Yes, sorry.

 
> > Under General Entrance Guidelines, do we need to state
> a
> > limit on number of entries. 
> 
> It sounds cool.  Much like the convention limitation
> imposed the first 
> year, it hasn't been an issue, but someday... So I'll
> leave it in for 
> historical coolness and future relevantness... :)

When AGA is big enough for 300 entries, we'll probably have
capacity to handle 300 entries. :-)

> This means that each judge's scores are used to determine
> the judge's
> individual ranking for the category.  The overall
> (average) RANKINGS, not
> the scores, are used to award first, second and third.

Ahhhh. that's diff than I thought. That's more like, uh,
the Borda Count method. I'd put it simply enough that even
I could understand it on a busy day. Or least narrow down
the mathematics:

"Each judge will score the entries and assign a rank of
First, Second, or Third to the entries that he or she
scores highest, next highest and third highest
respectively.  For each first place ranking by one of the
judges, an entry is given 3 ranking points, 2 for second
and 1 for third.  The entry with the most ranking points
wins first, second most ranking points wins second, and
thirdmost wins third."

Or does the entry with the most first-place rankings win
first, etc.? So only those entries that got first place
rankings can win first place?  See, it could go diff ways
even with the same points, ranks, blah blah.

> 
> This gets rid of the scoring bias induced by each judge
> (some may only
> award half the points and a large fluctuation, while
> others score
> everything near the top of the points).  In past years,
> some judges
> (notably Neil in year 1) just used the points as a
> scratchpad to rank the
> tanks that they had pre-ranked on paper.  This is also
> why I opt not to
> show the raw scores to the public -- they're absolutely
> meaningless beyond
> their use to determine rankings.  I will, however, take a
> peek at them in
> the case of a tie-breaker.

I understand. Maybe most folks don't care how we deal with
the points -- Just seems like we should say how it done
even if, maybe especially if, we don't show the actual math
afterwards. No need to show the man behind the curtain but
we should say what man and what curtain will be used.

> > If an image has the entrant's name of Copyright notice
> > superimposed, will it be disqualified from
> consideration?
> 
> 'course not.  I'll just ask them to resend it or crop it
> out.

I'd say that right there on the web page -- then they know
they're gonna get it right back and probably will fix it
ahead of time.

> Only one or two guys do that each year.  More annoying
> are the ones who 
> include a giant black frame around their photo that I
> have to crop out 
> (wasted space).

Do you ask for no frames/borders? Do so if you don't. or
say, "Preference is for 'No Borders' on photos since they
tend to waste space." 

Thanks for listening,
sh

PS:  Next year, will the people turn around occasionally
and wave at me? ;-)

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