On Sun, 23 May 2004, Phil Edwards wrote: > Rather than having Best of Show be determined from a selection of many > choices why not take the design that's got the most points? It will be obvious which one is the winner when it comes down to it. I beleive that in the four years so far, it's always BEEN the one with the most overall points. But we need to have the judges discuss and decide the winner as a last verification step. The reason why it's inappropriate to make a decision solely based on overall rankings or overall scoring alone at this point is that we'd be using category-specific scoring in a cross-category manner! The judges are required only to judge each aquascape against the others WITHIN THE SAME CATEGORY. So, just to bring this back around to an earlier rousing debate this month, It's not appropriate to compare a judge's biotope scores directly with, say, their paludarium scores. To use an actual example, there was one and ONLY one entry last year in which all judges bestowed a first-place award. That was the Biotope tank! Now based on the "number of first placings", one could say that the biotope tank should have won best of show because it got the most number of 1st places. Hmm, that's not right, is it? (In fact, using that Harmonic thingy on it, it comes in 3rd best of show! That's definitely not right!) So what has worked (very well so far, I will add) has been to present to the judges the best of each category, possibly 2nd as well, as well as the top overall points (with the disclaimer that these are sort of bogus being cross-category), as well as unrestricted access to the raw scores on the site... and the understanding that they can also suggest or vote on ANY aquascape in case my list is not inclusive enough. It works. Seriously, once the judges see what they each thought, they always seem to agree that the particular winner should be the winner based on everyone's scores. They aren't all happy about it at first, i.e., last year, the two that didn't like all-red tanks had their say, presented their case for their preferred alternate (a different entry for each, I might add), debated it a little bit, but all agreed that based on each judges' preferences that the particular tank should be the winner. I'm still trying to remember my old password so I can go in and check the 2002 and earlier entries, because I think it was the same way... but seriously, DON'T WORRY. There'll be enough of that once the judging is complete and you get harrassed by all the people who didn't like the decisions. - Erik -- Erik Olson erik at thekrib dot com ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest When asked, log in as username is "aga-contest", and password "second".