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Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 7:16 AM
Subject: MCM - Digest V1 #143
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>MCM - Digest Thursday, September 16 1999 Volume 01 : Number 143
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>In this issue:
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> Re: PAM
> Re: PAM
> Re: PAM
> Re: PAM
> Re: PAM
> Re: PAM
> Re: PAM
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>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:18:35 -0400
>From: krandall@world.std.com
>Subject: Re: PAM
>
>At 09:48 PM 9/14/99 -0700, Dave Gomberg wrote:
>>My perspective on these issues is this:
>>
>>I believe Herlong (like any other long-term hard worker) has his enemies
in
>>ACA. And I have no doubt that he may have had past problems in assembling
>>content. And that these may have made issues appear late (as they have
>>with Neil in the past when he couldn't get good content and had to delay
>>publication).
>>
>>That said and agreed, I do not see any relevance of this to PAM (Planted
>>Aquaria Magazine). Herlong will be in charge of production and
>>advertising, not editorial content. I am very pleased with how BB looks
>>(except the last two issues where they decided to cut costs and in my
>>opinion severely compromised the appearance).
>>
>>The person who says where the content comes from and is it good enough and
>>are we ready is me (with Neil's help if he wishes). If the AGA board
feels
>>I am doing it wrong they should tell me so, and wrong how, and how they
>>want it done instead. We may agree about this or we may disagree and
>>discuss it further. And in the end the PAM board will be the final
>>arbiter. If AGA has a majority of PAM stock, it will run the PAM board
>>(subject to minority stockholder rights, if applicable).
>>
>>Now I may not be able to do much better than Herlong has, but I have one
>>trump card. We pay our authors. So we can fairly ask them to put out
>>quality stuff on time. And if needed, we can pay from the author money
for
>>editing (if the submission has terrible quality).
>>
>>Now Herlong will have NOTHING TO SAY about what goes into PAM. So I don't
>>think his views on collecting trips are very relevant.
>>
>>If this does not tell you what you needed to know please ask more. Any
>>anyone posting on the subject of PAM, please be sure to copy me.
Thanks.
>
>I was waiting for Dave G's response, but from my conversations with him,
>this was my understanding. We will be using Dave H. only for production
>and advertising. The rest of the decision making is done elsewhere. I
>think this should be enough to keep Dave H. on track. Plus the BIG fact
>that Dave H. will be paid also. (I don't believe ACA pays him) He will
>have more of a responsibility to come through in a paid position.
>
>Fiinally a word about stock holders. IMO, it is very important that AGA
>become the majority stockholder in this venture. I think it is money well
>spent, and allows us to keep the magazine within our control to a greater
>extent.
>
>Karen
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:18:35 -0400
>From: krandall@world.std.com
>Subject: Re: PAM
>
>At 09:48 PM 9/14/99 -0700, Dave Gomberg wrote:
>>My perspective on these issues is this:
>>
>>I believe Herlong (like any other long-term hard worker) has his enemies
in
>>ACA. And I have no doubt that he may have had past problems in assembling
>>content. And that these may have made issues appear late (as they have
>>with Neil in the past when he couldn't get good content and had to delay
>>publication).
>>
>>That said and agreed, I do not see any relevance of this to PAM (Planted
>>Aquaria Magazine). Herlong will be in charge of production and
>>advertising, not editorial content. I am very pleased with how BB looks
>>(except the last two issues where they decided to cut costs and in my
>>opinion severely compromised the appearance).
>>
>>The person who says where the content comes from and is it good enough and
>>are we ready is me (with Neil's help if he wishes). If the AGA board
feels
>>I am doing it wrong they should tell me so, and wrong how, and how they
>>want it done instead. We may agree about this or we may disagree and
>>discuss it further. And in the end the PAM board will be the final
>>arbiter. If AGA has a majority of PAM stock, it will run the PAM board
>>(subject to minority stockholder rights, if applicable).
>>
>>Now I may not be able to do much better than Herlong has, but I have one
>>trump card. We pay our authors. So we can fairly ask them to put out
>>quality stuff on time. And if needed, we can pay from the author money
for
>>editing (if the submission has terrible quality).
>>
>>Now Herlong will have NOTHING TO SAY about what goes into PAM. So I don't
>>think his views on collecting trips are very relevant.
>>
>>If this does not tell you what you needed to know please ask more. Any
>>anyone posting on the subject of PAM, please be sure to copy me.
Thanks.
>
>I was waiting for Dave G's response, but from my conversations with him,
>this was my understanding. We will be using Dave H. only for production
>and advertising. The rest of the decision making is done elsewhere. I
>think this should be enough to keep Dave H. on track. Plus the BIG fact
>that Dave H. will be paid also. (I don't believe ACA pays him) He will
>have more of a responsibility to come through in a paid position.
>
>Fiinally a word about stock holders. IMO, it is very important that AGA
>become the majority stockholder in this venture. I think it is money well
>spent, and allows us to keep the magazine within our control to a greater
>extent.
>
>Karen
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:58:56 -0400
>From: "Robert P. Cashin" <rcashin@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: PAM
>
>Hi All,
>
>>I was waiting for Dave G's response, but from my conversations with
>>him,
>>this was my understanding. We will be using Dave H. only for
>>production
>>and advertising. The rest of the decision making is done elsewhere.
>>I
>>think this should be enough to keep Dave H. on track. Plus the BIG
>>fact
>>that Dave H. will be paid also. (I don't believe ACA pays him) He
>>will
>>have more of a responsibility to come through in a paid position.
>>
>>Fiinally a word about stock holders. IMO, it is very important that
>>AGA
>>become the majority stockholder in this venture. I think it is money
>>well
>>spent, and allows us to keep the magazine within our control to a
>>greater
>>extent.
>
> All of this sounds reasonable. How about listing the reasons we don't
>think it will work and letting Dave G rebutt them for us. Also, how about
>listing the advantages for us.
>
> Bob.
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:58:56 -0400
>From: "Robert P. Cashin" <rcashin@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: PAM
>
>Hi All,
>
>>I was waiting for Dave G's response, but from my conversations with
>>him,
>>this was my understanding. We will be using Dave H. only for
>>production
>>and advertising. The rest of the decision making is done elsewhere.
>>I
>>think this should be enough to keep Dave H. on track. Plus the BIG
>>fact
>>that Dave H. will be paid also. (I don't believe ACA pays him) He
>>will
>>have more of a responsibility to come through in a paid position.
>>
>>Fiinally a word about stock holders. IMO, it is very important that
>>AGA
>>become the majority stockholder in this venture. I think it is money
>>well
>>spent, and allows us to keep the magazine within our control to a
>>greater
>>extent.
>
> All of this sounds reasonable. How about listing the reasons we don't
>think it will work and letting Dave G rebutt them for us. Also, how about
>listing the advantages for us.
>
> Bob.
>___________________________________________________________________
>Get the Internet just the way you want it.
>Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month!
>Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:02:10 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
>Subject: Re: PAM
>
>On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 krandall@world.std.com wrote:
>
>> I was waiting for Dave G's response, but from my conversations with him,
>> this was my understanding. We will be using Dave H. only for production
>> and advertising. The rest of the decision making is done elsewhere. I
>> think this should be enough to keep Dave H. on track. Plus the BIG fact
>> that Dave H. will be paid also. (I don't believe ACA pays him) He will
>> have more of a responsibility to come through in a paid position.
>
>The ACA does pay him, some $500-1k per issue, as editor and production
>manager. This was a change when he took over production in '92; formerly
>the editor was volunteer.
>
> - Erik
>
>
>- --
>Erik Olson
>erik at thekrib dot com
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:47:24 -0400
>From: "Merrill Cohen" <amc2@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: PAM
>
>Unless I'm missing something, if we are going to invest money, why not just
>pay like is intended for PAM for AGM and have the one good magazine? This
>doesn't seem right to me! What have I missed?
>
>Merrill Cohen
>
>
>>
>> On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 krandall@world.std.com wrote:
>>
>> > I was waiting for Dave G's response, but from my conversations with
>him,
>> > this was my understanding. We will be using Dave H. only for
>production
>> > and advertising. The rest of the decision making is done elsewhere. I
>> > think this should be enough to keep Dave H. on track. Plus the BIG
>fact
>> > that Dave H. will be paid also. (I don't believe ACA pays him) He will
>> > have more of a responsibility to come through in a paid position.
>>
>> The ACA does pay him, some $500-1k per issue, as editor and production
>> manager. This was a change when he took over production in '92; formerly
>> the editor was volunteer.
>>
>> - Erik
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:46:41 -0500
>From: krombhol@teclink.net (Paul Krombholz)
>Subject: Re: PAM
>
>PAM sounds like an expensive and time-consuming operation, and my big
>concern is that we won't have enough authors to keep PAM supplied. Who and
>where are these potential authors, and what kinds of articles will they be
>writing? I don't think we want articles touting the author's secret
>miracle forumlas that solve all planted tank problems. We don't want
>articles each issue about a slightly different variety of Echinodorus found
>in a slightly different ditch in Uruguay. What kind of articles do AGA
>members want, and who will write them? If the authors are going to be
>mostly the active European people :C. Kasselmann, N. Jacobsen, K Horst,
>etc., can we get enough out of them to keep PAM supplied?
>
>Paul Krombholz, central Mississippi, enjoying dry, clear, cool Canadian
>air.
Hello All
I would like to see us carry on with our format as is. We have done well in
the past and I would like to see Mary given a chance to carry on with help
from Neil and all of us. When we start paying for articles we would not be
resourcing our membership and making thm a part of the whole. Lets get more
of our present members involved to give us pride in our mission.
Dorothy
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