Well, as I indicated I was out of town and just returned late last night. If I understand the events of the last couple of days correctly, the vote was no, as led by Bob Cashin. That is too bad, as most of the "reasons" Bob gave for voting no are just objectively not the case. I could have explained that, but Bob did not post his list of questions till I was already out of contact. I thought the purpose of re-raising the issue was to avoid that situation. It looks like it is just part of how AGA runs. That is too bad too. It means AGA is fated to continue to make the wrong decision for the wrong reasons. Well, hope you folks have fun. See you on the APD and the pages of PAM ($20 to AGA members). Sayonara. -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco mailto:gomberg@wcf.com For low cost CO2 systems that work: http://www.wcf.com/co2iron Tropica MasterGrow in the USA: http://www.wcf.com/tropica -----------------------------------------------------------------