I too have waited before writing this. I am not angry. At 10:49 AM 11/2/1999 -0800, Erik Olson wrote: >I said: >> Neither investment or influence are germane (in my mind) to the issue of >> whether PAM subs are a good thing for AGA members, which was the prior >> vote. > >OK, I'm torqued now. > >This was something we went around and around and around with in New >Jersey. IN YOUR MIND they're orthoganal to each other. From the AGA's >position, SUBSCRIBING AND INFLUENCE ARE INSEPARABLE. I recognize this, and it is one of AGA's major problems. Let's say that TFH said they were going to start a new mag on planted aquaria and that subs would be $20/year, but if AGA would subscribe everyone then they could get subs for $12 a year. What would that have to do with whether or not AGA should buy Nylbone stock (assuming it is publicly traded)? I am sorry Erik, I just don't see the connection. If the mag is good and the price is right, AGA should help its members. If the mag is junk or the price is too high, forget it. It has nothing, NOTHING, to do with the price or future prospects of Nylbone stock. Now please explain to me where I got it wrong. -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco mailto:gomberg@wcf.com For low cost CO2 systems that work: http://www.wcf.com/co2iron Tropica MasterGrow in the USA: http://www.wcf.com/tropica -----------------------------------------------------------------