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I also support James Purchase's proposal and commend him for his hard work and
enthusiasm.
Diana Walstad
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> MCM - Digest Sunday, February 13 2000 Volume 01 : Number 233
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> Re: Huh? I don't get it.
> AGA Intl Aquascaping showcase and contest
> Re: AGA Intl Aquascaping showcase and contest
> Re: AGA Intl Aquascaping showcase and contest
> Re: Huh? I don't get it.
> Re: AGA Intl Aquascaping showcase and contest
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> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 09:13:19 -0500
> From: Neil Frank <nfrank@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Huh? I don't get it.
>
> From: Karen Randall <krandall@world.std.com>
> >Subject: Huh? I don't get it.
> >
> >At 03:48 PM 2/11/2000 -0500, D. Chang wrote a long diatribe about the NEC
> >convention ending with:
> >
> >>If your conventions are always held in your home regions (NE,W,N) don't you
> >>only see the same guys every year?
>
> I think I understand where he is coming from. This guy is getting the
> impression that the NEC convention is the same as a national
> (international) AGA convention and would like to see such an event in other
> parts of the world. He (and I guess many other folks) do not understand the
> difference between an "official AGA meeting" and an advertised
> local/regional aquarium club meeting which offers AGA members a chance to
> get together.
>
> It is good that Karen clarified the situation.
>
> To help avoid continued confusion, I submit that AGA should not advertise
> the NEC thing as an "AGA Special Event" (see TAG V12n6). Perhaps better
> titles would be "An Opportunity for AGAers to Get Together." Also, future
> AGA advertisements of this type might end with a brief statement like "AGA
> encourages regional gatherings of AGAers and with sufficient lead time, we
> will gladly advertise these events in TAG. Please submit details to TAG
> editor."
>
> - --Neil
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> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:48:23 -0500
> From: Neil Frank <nfrank@mindspring.com>
> Subject: AGA Intl Aquascaping showcase and contest
>
> I support the proposal submitted to me by James Purchase. It is extremely
> well organized and clearly written. I can't see any reason why AGA would
> not want to sponsor it. I understand that PAM is going to advertise its own
> contest. I suggest that we move to adopt this project ASAP. The organizing
> committee should be commended on a job well done.
>
> I have some minor comments included below. I have also sent them directly
> to James.
> Neil
> - ---------------------------------------------------------------
> In Aquatic Gardener's Association, there should not be an apostrophe. It
> should be Aquatic Gardeners Association (p 10,18)
>
> Contest Guidelines(p. 12): tank sizes need to include 15 and 75 gallon
> aquaria. I suggest they be part of small and large respectively.
>
> Photo Guidelines (p.15). The rules say that the images may only be altered
> for color correction. Perhaps, the rules should say that the COLORS SHOULD
> TRY TO REPRESENT ACTUAL APPEARANCE AND SHOULD NOT BE ENHANCED. The judges
> should be advised that color alteration cannot be practically monitored and
> for example, the reddness of plants may or may not be electronically or
> photographically enhanced. This is a problem with both films and electronic
> images. In fact, actual colors may be intentional or unintentional on part
> of the submitter.
>
> Judging Guidelines (p 21). Complimentary should be spelled complementary
>
> Scoring Guidelines,(p.23). The judges are asked to assign points... the
> contest organizers collate scores.... but the judges are asked to determine
> 1st, 2nd, 3rd place awards. Does this pertain to selection of 1st, 2nd 3rd
> place... or the prize for each place. If the judges do not have to use
> numerical scores as the basis for awarding "places", this possibility
> should be mentioned.
>
> Prizes (p24 and p. 32(7)). If the contest is international, then prizes
> should be solictited from the international community (aquarists/judges
> from Europe and Asia should be consulted and companies like Dupla,
> Dennerle, ADA etc should be contacted)
>
> Organizing Committee? I could not find the defintion. Is it the same as the
> contributors?
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> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:22:18 -0800 (PST)
> From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Re: AGA Intl Aquascaping showcase and contest
>
> I suppose I should also say that I support this proposal and would like to
> see it come approval very soon as well.
>
> - Erik
>
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, Neil Frank wrote:
>
> > I support the proposal submitted to me by James Purchase. It is extremely
> > well organized and clearly written. I can't see any reason why AGA would
> > not want to sponsor it. I understand that PAM is going to advertise its own
> > contest. I suggest that we move to adopt this project ASAP. The organizing
> > committee should be commended on a job well done.
> >
> > I have some minor comments included below. I have also sent them directly
> > to James.
> > Neil
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > In Aquatic Gardener's Association, there should not be an apostrophe. It
> > should be Aquatic Gardeners Association (p 10,18)
> >
> > Contest Guidelines(p. 12): tank sizes need to include 15 and 75 gallon
> > aquaria. I suggest they be part of small and large respectively.
> >
> > Photo Guidelines (p.15). The rules say that the images may only be altered
> > for color correction. Perhaps, the rules should say that the COLORS SHOULD
> > TRY TO REPRESENT ACTUAL APPEARANCE AND SHOULD NOT BE ENHANCED. The judges
> > should be advised that color alteration cannot be practically monitored and
> > for example, the reddness of plants may or may not be electronically or
> > photographically enhanced. This is a problem with both films and electronic
> > images. In fact, actual colors may be intentional or unintentional on part
> > of the submitter.
> >
> > Judging Guidelines (p 21). Complimentary should be spelled complementary
> >
> > Scoring Guidelines,(p.23). The judges are asked to assign points... the
> > contest organizers collate scores.... but the judges are asked to determine
> > 1st, 2nd, 3rd place awards. Does this pertain to selection of 1st, 2nd 3rd
> > place... or the prize for each place. If the judges do not have to use
> > numerical scores as the basis for awarding "places", this possibility
> > should be mentioned.
> >
> > Prizes (p24 and p. 32(7)). If the contest is international, then prizes
> > should be solictited from the international community (aquarists/judges
> > from Europe and Asia should be consulted and companies like Dupla,
> > Dennerle, ADA etc should be contacted)
> >
> > Organizing Committee? I could not find the defintion. Is it the same as the
> > contributors?
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> - --
> Erik Olson
> erik at thekrib dot com
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> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:18:18 -0500
> From: "David Lass" <davidlass@villasunscape.com>
> Subject: Re: AGA Intl Aquascaping showcase and contest
>
> And I also agree.
> David
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
> To: <aga-mcm@thekrib.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: AGA Intl Aquascaping showcase and contest
>
> > I suppose I should also say that I support this proposal and would like to
> > see it come approval very soon as well.
> >
> > - Erik
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, Neil Frank wrote:
> >
> > > I support the proposal submitted to me by James Purchase. It is
> extremely
> > > well organized and clearly written. I can't see any reason why AGA would
> > > not want to sponsor it. I understand that PAM is going to advertise its
> own
> > > contest. I suggest that we move to adopt this project ASAP. The
> organizing
> > > committee should be commended on a job well done.
> > >
> > > I have some minor comments included below. I have also sent them
> directly
> > > to James.
> > > Neil
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > In Aquatic Gardener's Association, there should not be an apostrophe. It
> > > should be Aquatic Gardeners Association (p 10,18)
> > >
> > > Contest Guidelines(p. 12): tank sizes need to include 15 and 75 gallon
> > > aquaria. I suggest they be part of small and large respectively.
> > >
> > > Photo Guidelines (p.15). The rules say that the images may only be
> altered
> > > for color correction. Perhaps, the rules should say that the COLORS
> SHOULD
> > > TRY TO REPRESENT ACTUAL APPEARANCE AND SHOULD NOT BE ENHANCED. The
> judges
> > > should be advised that color alteration cannot be practically monitored
> and
> > > for example, the reddness of plants may or may not be electronically or
> > > photographically enhanced. This is a problem with both films and
> electronic
> > > images. In fact, actual colors may be intentional or unintentional on
> part
> > > of the submitter.
> > >
> > > Judging Guidelines (p 21). Complimentary should be spelled complementary
> > >
> > > Scoring Guidelines,(p.23). The judges are asked to assign points... the
> > > contest organizers collate scores.... but the judges are asked to
> determine
> > > 1st, 2nd, 3rd place awards. Does this pertain to selection of 1st, 2nd
> 3rd
> > > place... or the prize for each place. If the judges do not have to use
> > > numerical scores as the basis for awarding "places", this possibility
> > > should be mentioned.
> > >
> > > Prizes (p24 and p. 32(7)). If the contest is international, then prizes
> > > should be solictited from the international community (aquarists/judges
> > > from Europe and Asia should be consulted and companies like Dupla,
> > > Dennerle, ADA etc should be contacted)
> > >
> > > Organizing Committee? I could not find the defintion. Is it the same as
> the
> > > contributors?
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > erik at thekrib dot com
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> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:29:20 -0500
> From: Karen Randall <krandall@world.std.com>
> Subject: Re: Huh? I don't get it.
>
> At 09:13 AM 2/12/2000 -0500, Neil wrote:
>
> >I think I understand where he is coming from. This guy is getting the
> >impression that the NEC convention is the same as a national
> >(international) AGA convention and would like to see such an event in other
> >parts of the world.
>
> Well, if he thought that, he didn't read very carefully. I specifically
> stated that it was the convention of the North East Council of Aquarium
> Societies. I even specifically spelled out what that was rather than use
> the acronym, just to avoid any confusion.
>
> >He (and I guess many other folks) do not understand the
> >difference between an "official AGA meeting" and an advertised
> >local/regional aquarium club meeting which offers AGA members a chance to
> >get together.
>
> I'm not sure I do either. As far as I know, we have never had the former.
> We have always, to my knowledge, piggy backed any of our gatherings on
> another regional group's convention. AGA simply doesn't have the man-power
> in any one location to pull off its own event.
>
> >It is good that Karen clarified the situation.
> >
> >To help avoid continued confusion, I submit that AGA should not advertise
> >the NEC thing as an "AGA Special Event" (see TAG V12n6). Perhaps better
> >titles would be "An Opportunity for AGAers to Get Together." Also, future
> >AGA advertisements of this type might end with a brief statement like "AGA
> >encourages regional gatherings of AGAers and with sufficient lead time, we
> >will gladly advertise these events in TAG. Please submit details to TAG
> >editor."
>
> I think if people want to be confused, they will find a point of confusion.
> AGA _is_ more than casually involved with the NEC event. But it is because
> it already is a top notch, well organized convention that specifically
> asked for AGA involvement. I would love to see this happen with other good
> conventions around the country. Rather than down-playing what NEC has
> accomplished, and is offering AGA, I would rather see us do a better job
> publicizing the fact that AGA is WILLING to become involved with and help
> out with regional activities if that's what our members want, if they
> request the help, AND if the LOCAL AGA members are willing to be involved
> in a physical sense.
>
> As I've mentioned when this subject has come up before, I have a problem
> with down-playing the good stuff that is going on in active areas of the
> country just to avoid having other people feel "left out". Instead, let's
> encourage them to get the same interest and enthusiasm going in their
> areas. The main reason that there ARE so many AGA members in the New
> England area is that a few of us have done our best to make sure that
> people in this area are made aware of the AGA. We take posters and flyers
> to all our local club events, and talk up AGA at every opportunity. It is
> not by accident that there are so many AGA'ers here.
>
> Even if there was no AGA involvement with NEC, we are an area with enough
> interest in aquatic plants that we would _still_ invite Claus to speak.
> We have enough local interest that we were having "planted tank workshops"
> before most local people knew AGA existed. We would still probably have
> "plant people" getting together at NEC without AGA.
>
> I can't help but feel that we (NEC) are being asked to down-play what we
> have accomplished for fear of some other group, that HASN'T developed that
> kind of enthusiasm feeling left out. I love AGA, and I love having two of
> my favorite organizations work together on a project. But NEC will
> continue to put on top notch conventions that attract top people from
> around the country with or without AGA. I guess the big question is
> whether or not AGA wants to receive some of the credit, or whether it will
> all go to NEC.
>
> I would be happy to vote that support be given to AGA'ers in another region
> who want to put on an AGA event in conjunction with a convention. But I
> personally am _not_ willing to go into another region and do the work for
> them. The North East is not the only area that has put together a large,
> vital group of "plant people". Look at the groups in San Francisco,
> Seattle, Vancouver, Minnesota and now Wisconsin. It doesn't take that many
> people to get the ball rolling in an area.
>
> Karen
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> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:33:17 -0500
> From: Karen Randall <krandall@world.std.com>
> Subject: Re: AGA Intl Aquascaping showcase and contest
>
> At 10:48 AM 2/12/2000 -0500, Neil wrote:
> >I support the proposal submitted to me by James Purchase. It is extremely
> >well organized and clearly written. I can't see any reason why AGA would
> >not want to sponsor it. I understand that PAM is going to advertise its own
> >contest. I suggest that we move to adopt this project ASAP. The organizing
> >committee should be commended on a job well done.
>
> I'll second that!
>
> Karen
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