Re: MCM - Digest V1 #401

["Mary McCaw" <marymccaw@mediaone.net>]

> > > >   At 06:36 AM 11/16/00 -0800, Erik Olson wrote:
>
I wonder if an alternative would be to present a two page "announcement of
the announcement of the winners"?  Though the results themselves won't be
available to submit for publication November 30th, we might be able to
present some of the pictures and a pointer to the website for the lowdown.
As a mere listing of winners to me would seem wasted space in PAM, perhaps
this would be more interesting, and allow a "best-of-both-worlds?"

I thought TAG would have the first coverage of the contest.  It is, after
all, an AGA sponsored event.  The above suggestion seems to me to compromise
what I thought we had already agreed to.

I have limitations as editor of TAG that I have to live with and work with.
The same is true for Dave.  We don't have the money for 20 pages of color in
TAG, and his publishing schedule is such that the contest as news will be
old news.  That's life.  He has to learn to adjust to his limitations as I
have learned to adjust to mine.

Regarding what James about our being able to print only a few pictures of
the winners, I think we can do better than that.  I am in the process of
getting quotes.  After I get the quotes, we need to have a serious money
conversation.  What we really need is a budget.  A problem for me is that I
don't really know how much I can spend.

> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:39:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Update
>
> OK, sorry, I said I'd be quiet, but one last bit of information:
>
> Just got off the phone with Dave; it was funny, because I'd just sent that
last reply, and was telling Kathy I should call and say "Hey, we're your
author here.  Either treat us nice or no deal!"  But he called *me*!  He
> apologized for the nasty tone the last note kinda took, which was very
appreciated here.
>
> I think he's now on the same page, i.e. that there is definitely something
good from the showcase that's worth a 2-page spread, if James, Mary and the
board agree it's OK.  He's also OK with not announcing results, I think.  He
still does not yet comprehend exactly what the showcase entails (eg, no idea
that it's all on the web, features often lush descriptions by
> the aquascape creators, or that the whole thing is already basically DONE
but for the judging).
>
> So where do we go now: What *he'd* like to do (the "offer") is for me to
send him a CD with all of the showcase "images", and he can pick out which
ones he wants for the two-page spread.  Personally, I think that's
preposterous (but that's Dave for ya), so what *I* think we should do
("counter-offer") is pre-select some nice images *ourselves* that are
representative of the diversity and print well in color, write up some
caption and article material, and submit them.  Perhaps, give him a little
extra so that he can choose, say, five photos out of seven?
>
> But as I said in the last note, I'm going to listen to others now.  Mainly
gotta hear what James and Mary want to do; yes, I realize Mary is taking a
break for a couple days, so maybe just a "sounds good" or "no way eh!" would
be enough from her

No way!!!  Erik, after all the hard work I put into TAG, I think you owe me
the courtesy of running these offers by me before you talk to Dave about
them.  I am tired of Dave's abrasive tactics.  I've said it before, and I'll
say it again:  Dave needs us a lot more than we need him.

If he wants to track down various people who won the contest and do
articles, that's his business.  But as far as offering him material is
concerned, it's an AGA sponsored contest and TAG should get first picks.
Remember that Dave has money to pay people which we don't.  Also, I would
like to call your attention to how diligently I have beat the bushes to come
up with articles without the enticement of money.

Mary