Re: [AGA-mcm] List Membership as of now

["S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>]

--- Larry Lampert <l_lampert@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Erik/MCM,
> 
> . . .I did have an idea . . . that we should keep the 
> list as is with
> Ghazanfar, Jay, Sean, etc alive but use it for a
> slightly different purpose.
> 
>  I thought that we could create a new list with the
> current MCM members for discussions that should be
> kept confidential, but use the old list to do two
> things. First to get additional view points on ideas,
> and second to try and find out who really should be
> included in the long-term AGA decisions. In fact I
> thought of expanding it to other folks who claim to be
> interested in helping out. 

I had a similiar idea was dissuaded by recurrent problems
some of us have keeping track of which list is which, where
the discussion should be taking place, who's on first, etc.

> I know that it would be a PIA figuring out what to
> send to what list but I think the benefits of
> including more members in specific AGA direction
> related decisions is significant. I lso think we have
> a lot of untapped talent in the AGA and this list
> might be a good way to find out.

Why not use the members list when we want greater
participation in a discussion?

> Although, I agree with Erik's concerns

They might have been as much or more the concerns of
others, including myself, that Erik was addressing.

> I also hate to
> "remove" people who have shown an interest in wanting
> to help. I am already tired of reading "AGA Members"
> posting statements in other forums about the AGA in
> the third person as if the AGA was some seperate
> intransigent entity of planted aquarists. 

Alas, some of that forment was from MCM list people ;-)

> Most folks won't actually do the work to back up their
> talk anyways but this way at least they can't say that
> we were excusionary either.

I've come to think it's not so much the process as whether
the AGA is making the decisions they want AGA to make. It's
not that I don't have a strong affinity for goals you
describe. I'm just very uncertain that a variety of lists
is the best way to reach the goal.

The original notion, I'm not sure who came up with it, was
to have a list with the workers all included. I'm still
quite comfortable with that general idea -- partly because
I think the AGA has never been at a loss for ideas; it's
doing something with ideas that's been the harder part. I
think new people will probably be coming on the list soon
-- I certainly hope so. 

Speaking of work, Cheryl sent me some terrific edits on the
Requrements portion of the Proposal Doc. I now others are
working on the Doc, too. You can send me edits in pieces
instead of the whole doc at once. It's actually easier to
deal with that way, makes the task seem far less daunting,
and helps speed things along, too. After all, I can only
read one edit mark at a time ;-)

sh
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