Re: [AGA-mcm] ACA Spy Report, lessons to learn #126, "purpose of the convention"

["S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>]

I never regret an interesting discussion.

sh
--- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:

> I guess the original reason I forwarded this e-mail was
> to point out (by 
> analogy) that it's easy to veer off into tangents and
> concentrate on odd 
> problems, and forget the purpose of why we're trying to
> put on the 
> convention.  And I think we've all now proven that point
> today, as we've 
> all now veered completely onto not even our own tangent,
> but another 
> club's...  I think I regret the original posting now,
> sorry!
> 
>    - Erik
> 
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Larry Lampert wrote:
> 
> > The whole ACA members and worse non-members selling
> > fish out of the room thing has been discussed ad
> > naseum on many lists. It really is not a problem for
> > us (AGA) yet.
> >
> > Unfortunately, there is no easy answer. We as a club
> > either AGA or ACA can not regulate what someone does
> > in their private hotel room. We do not have the right
> > nor the means or desire to do so.
> >
> > The only thing we can do is try to ensure that
> > everyone in the hotel is a registered club member and
> > do not let people advertise their lists on hotel
> > doors, etc.
> >
> > The alternative is we just accept it and sell
> > advertising space on a board in the lobby like the ACA
> > does. I don't think this would be a good move for us
> > at this point. We don't have a problem yet why would
> > we want to create it?
> >
> >
> > Yes, there is money to be made selling fish. No IMO we
> > do not have a "better sense of community" than the
> > ACA. Just look at all of the grumbling from this years
> > convention. As we get bigger we can expect more of it.
> > People tend to like to complain more than they like to
> > work to change things. However, the ACA certainly has
> > it's share of good people too just like the AGA.
> >
> > The bottom line is that we very much alike with the
> > exception that the typical median income of an AGA
> > attendee is higher than that of a typical ACA
> > attendee. Therefore there is more of a threshold to
> > pay a higher amount per member for conventions,etc.,
> > and less of a need for members to have their hobby pay
> > for itself.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Larry
> >
> >
> > --- Cheryl Rogers <cheryl@rightstuffwebsites.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Erik Olson wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You can't enforce what people sell out of their
> >> rooms.
> >>
> >> Absolutely. And I don't think we should police that
> >> (at this time).
> >>
> >> I was wrong about my earlier question/comment. In
> >> the convention doc, it
> >> says that *buyers* must be registered for the
> >> convention (Scott--because of
> >> the non-profit thing?).
> >>
> >> But here's a quote from 2.7.4.     "Each seller must be
> >> a member of the Local
> >> or the AGA unless the seller donates the proceeds in
> >> full to the Convention."
> >>
> >> But this rule applies only to the auction--in the
> >> convention doc, we do not
> >> address the question of whether people may sell out
> >> of their rooms. And I
> >> don't think we should, at this time.
> >>
> >>   The
> >>> problem is, I think, more of an ethical one for
> >> the ACA.  People at the
> >>> AGA conventions (and maybe plant hobbyists as a
> >> whole) still seem
> >>> overall interested in "supporting the AGA".
> >>
> >> Yes. I agree. Are cichlids bigger money than plants?
> >> I suspect so. I don't
> >> really know. So I should siddown and shaddup now.
> >> :-)
> >>
> >> Perhaps we in the AGA enjoy more of a sense of
> >> community than we thought.
> >> Good. Then I am in the right place.
> >>
> >> Cheryl
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