I've held back on this issue since my first comments because my view of the matter seem to be at the extreme. So I've been trying to figure out how to put my view forward in a reasonable way. I think Karen did an admirable and clearly skillful job of soothing DG, who was making a public issue of things, and arranging for the possibility of AGA gaining further rights at a very low financial cost. And she did so at our urging -- the honor there belongs to Karen. Further, I think any of us would have made the original deal for the paper PAMS, back when it was made. It was a prudent thing to do at the time, knowing what was known then. But despite the prudence of the original deal and despite the low financial cost of the new deal, I think we should turn it down for reasons having to do with the "honor" aspect and the financial aspect. Honor -- I think honoring Dorothy and Neil is something they deserve. They have given selflessly repeatedly to AGA -- they deserve even more than AGA give back to them. It has been said that ". . . life membership for Gomberg as a similar honorary thing . . . It's not appropriate." I don't think that's the right word. I think it is *inappropriate* for DG to be given that honor. He does not *merit* it. That may sound harsh, and perhaps he was honorable in other years. But over the last few years it seems whatever he's done has been suffused with self-interest. I don't have a problem with someone being a businessman, but what Dorothy and Neil have done, that's in a whole diff league. So I think the honoring would be wrong. I supposed that, if the Board agrees to this further purchase from DG, and AGA reports or announces it, then it could be tactfully announced as being a quid pro quo for the remaining copyrights of the defunct PAM, as something done in financial consideration for something else. But I suspect that's just the opposite of what would make the deal attractive to DG. I think the essence of the deal is offering him a badge of honor instead of more money. Take away the badge, and he won't have much interest in what's left for him the deal. Financial -- We have sold PAM stuff over the years. I think what we sold of PAM stuff has almost always been in connection with other stuff, like all 6 PAMs plus 4 TAGs as a combo. Hard to tease out the marginal value but I believe it's not very high. There are individual sales but rarely in isolation from TAG sales. TAG sells PAMs so it would be hard to set a value on PAM's contribution to the synergy. Are there more sales than there would be without the PAMs? Sure. But we could offer other things that would have the same effect -- we could offer bags of peanuts and add to sales. I know PAMs are not peanuts -- for one thing, they are less rewarding financially. The PAMs have lost money and there's no point throwing good money after bad, even if the additional cost is mere peanuts. To use an exaggerated example to illustrate my point: It's a bit like "averaging down." Averaging down was statistical technique used on Wall Street for a while. You lose $1000 a share in the stock market so you buy another 1,000 shares when you are only going to lose $5 per share, so your average loss per share is reduced to about $2,500 per share. Sounds good but the total loss, of course, is actually worse. So I don't think the further expenditure for acquiring PAM is financially good for the AGA. Instead of the new deal, we can keep a few copies in the archives for historical purposes. If crying need for PAMs arises years into the future, DG can always vend his own disks. The hobby needn't suffer if we don't do the new deal. In fact, I suspect that hard copies of most of the PAMs will be available for many years to come. I can't see paying another penny towards PAM as being financially sound. Inexpensive? Yes. But financially sound? No. So, is there any other reason to do a new deal? The only one I can think of -- and this might just be the limits of my imagination -- to avoid bad blood and possibly bad word of mouth about the AGA. But this too I think is not a good reason for a new deal. We made a small mistake (with the "archive" disks) and quickly corrected it -- that's all. If anyone wonders why we did not agree to giving DG an Honorary lifetime membership, it's was simply because we have a standard for the honor, and only a few people have met that standard. sh _______________________________________________ AGA-mcm mailing list AGA-mcm@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm