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Re: [AGA-mcm] Kent stiffed us.



Which is exactly why I kept writing for Fancy for as long as I did. Unfortunately, it eventually it became more painful than giving birth on a monthly basis, and even for the sake of AGA, my sanity was worth more.<g>

I was JUST considering submitting some stuff to FAMA when we got the news that Bowtie (AKA Fancy) had bought them out. And unfotunately, TFH's terms on photos still leaves me skittish.

So now it's up to Scott and David to continue carrying the torch.<g>

Karen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lampert" <l_lampert@yahoo.com>
To: "AGA Advisory Committee" <aga-mcm@thekrib.com>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] Kent stiffed us.


Karen,

Come to think of it, I was aware of the AGA for many
years because I saw the club ads in some of the mags.
But I think I was convinced to join by articles like
yours. In fact, it likely was one of yours.

Eventually, I finally got around to joining, though I
had been meaning to do it for at least 3-5 years
before.

I guess that is why I like that type of advertising,
inexpensive, redundant with a large potential market
but also highly credible. It worked on me and I
procrastinate with the best of them.

Regards,
Larry

--- Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> wrote:

Scott,

You're way more in-the-know about Bowtie at this
point than I am, but for
all the time I wrote for them, I put in plugs for
AGA regularly, including
address and web info with impunity.  I was alway
waiting to see if they'd
cut it, and they never did.  Occasionally I devoted
an entire column to AGA
doings and they never said nuthin' about it.

Karen
----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>
To: "AGA Advisory Committee" <aga-mcm@thekrib.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] Kent stiffed us.


> Okay. I guess feel a finger poking me.
>
> That's a good idea, Larry. I've tried to do
something a bit
> less obvious by sliding in the AGA website in a
couple of
> diff ways and gotten away with it on-line, last
time I
> looked (which is a painful thing to do).
>
> Now that Fancy Pubs aka Bowtie Pubs aka AFM aka
AKA has
> gone totally corp with a captial "C" -- for
example
> insisting of permament north american serial
rights to all
> articles (shades of T-hreatening F-inancial
> H-eavyhandedness) -- it might be even harder to
get one
> past the blue-pencil crew. We'll see. But you can
always
> pick out the first letter of each paragraph to get
the
> secret message.
>
> Now that they have taken over FAMA, which makes me
think of
> the "Fanta  Fanta" TV commmercial every time I
hear the
> name, which makes me think of the Rio Negro and
orange soda
> on balmy afternoons, which, uh where was I? Oh
yeah. Now
> that they have taken over FAMA and view themselves
as a
> first line hobby publisher, they have adopted a
new
> blusiness motto:
>
> "If you don't like it, you can lump it,"
>
> Which you have to admire even if for no other
reason than
> the pure nostalgia of the phrase.
>
> Of course, I could always try and swing my weight
around.
> Last time I did that, I knocked over a glass and
had to
> clean it up.
>
> sh
> --- Larry Lampert <l_lampert@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I am here, I may not say much but I am reading
>> everything.
>>
>> Print ads can be effective as one time event but
name
>> recognition typically requires some type of
>> redundancy.
>>
>> I agree with you all that we suffer from a lack
of
>> name recognition. I really like Cheryl and Phil's
>> ideas. I think we should be cautious though about
>> spending. Given our recent increase in TAG
pages/cost
>> and decrease in Adv revenue from Kent and
Milwaukee I
>> think we should be careful.
>>
>> I really think we can maximize our internet
exposure
>> first for a much higher cost to benefit ratio. I
would
>> like to see us get some comped ad/banner space on
the
>> aquatic plant central/iron
aquascaper/aquabotanic/etc
>> of the world. Easier said than done but I think
we
>> have still not fully penetrated those
"prequalified
>> target markets".
>>
>> I also love the idea of bringing in the DRS
Foster/
>> and Big Als of the world. Let's face it a good
deal of
>> our membership patronizes them already so it
should be
>> a win win.
>>
>> I would also love to see some of our members
>> contibuting to the major fish mags with our web
URL
>> under their name at the end of the article as a
:"For
>> more info on planted aquariums go to
>> www.aquatic-gardeners.org the web site of the
Aquatic
>> Gardeners Association"
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Larry
>> --- "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm not sure about this but my understanding is
that
>> > an ad
>> > in print isn't especially effective unless it's
>> > repeated.
>> > So sensible use of ad funds would mean some
>> > strategizing
>> > about how, where, and for how long we
advertize.
>> >
>> > Maybe Larry can suggest something if he can
pull
>> > away from
>> > that silly fish meeting thing TCA/ACA has going
on
>> > ;-)
>> >
>> > sh
>> > --- Cheryl Rogers
<cheryl@rightstuffwebsites.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Phil Edwards wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheryl, would you please send me some more
>> > backstocked
>> > > TAG's?  I'm down
>> > > > to two that I can send to potentials.
Thanks!
>> > >
>> > > I'll do it Monday. Do you need any more
business
>> > cards or
>> > > flyers? I
>> > > would send them tomorrow, but it's tkd
testing
>> > weekend
>> > > and I'm working
>> > > all day, well past the time the post office
>> > closes.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Another thing.  I was speaking with Eheim
this
>> > morning
>> > > and they thought
>> > > > we were outdoor/pond folks!  All of the
>> > non-regulars
>> > > I've contacted
>> > > > about advertising/sponsoring/donating have
no
>> > idea
>> > > who/what we are and
>> > > > they all think we're ponders.  Perhaps it's
time
>> > we
>> > > start advertising
>> > > > ourselves so the industry becomes familiar
with
>> > > who/what we are?
>> > >
>> > > I think we do. I have not been shy about
saying
>> > it. I
>> > > rarely am. This is
>> > > not always a good thing, but there you are.
>> > >
>> > > Cheryl
>> > >
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