Re: [AGA-mcm] Electronic Re-publishing Article

["S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>]

If we think it is wrong, I think we ought to at least say
something. We don't have to pick on anyone, just post a
sticky that urges folks to post links to sources rather
than post copies, etc. unless the poster has permission
from the owner of the image or text.

I have to admit that I'm not informed about how links and
copyright laws work in the USA -- I would guess that the
courts interpret the laws such that the end user image
isn't an infringing copy if it is temporary. Download to
screen is not treatted the same as downloaded to disk or
printer.

sh

--- Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> wrote:

> Yes, if they were just linking, I think it's fine.  The
> owner of the 
> original site is the one who must have gotten permission.
>  But Roger, 
> himself, scanned a page out of an Amano book and put it
> on the site for 
> discussion. (thread called "stirring the pot") He wasn't
> the only one, and 
> I'm not sure where all the photos in the thread came
> from.  But Roger states 
> right out that one of them is photographed from NAW, and
> apologizes for the 
> quality of the reproduction.  I suspect that the NBAT
> photos are from the 
> web, but again, they aren't linked; they've actually been
> moved onto the 
> site, with no attribution to the original source. The
> aquarist has been 
> given credit appropriately, but I doubt any permissions
> were obtained.
> 
> So I know (at least some of) the mods are aware that it's
> going on.. But 
> either they don't think it's a big deal, or they just
> don't even realize 
> that it's illegal.
> 
> Karen
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
> To: "AGA Advisory Committee" <aga-mcm@thekrib.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] Electronic Re-publishing Article
> 
> 
> > I'd be interested in hearing what others say about
> this, especially the 
> > mods... but if I were policing it, I would probably
> allow linking to, but 
> > not uploading of copyrighted images.  As you know,
> people can do either in 
> > our forum.  If it's a link, then the person who
> actually hosted the images 
> > would be liable, not the AGA.
> >
> >   - Erik
> >
> > On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Karen Randall wrote:
> >
> >> We alway DO check with an author before putting
> material on the web site. 
> >> We're pretty careful, probably because I've had my
> share of being taken 
> >> advantage of.
> >>
> >> I have to say, I'd be ticked to hear that JB was
> making money (even 10% 
> >> off articles I'd written for TAG or another hobby
> magazine.  I do that 
> >> for the organization, not for someone's pocket.
> >>
> >>
> >> On a similar subject, it worries me that people so
> lightly scan images 
> >> from books, or take them from otehr websites to post
> on the  AGA forum. 
> >> (a practice that is SOP on APC, and has migrated over
> here)  It's 
> >> different with the AGA contest photos posted on OUR
> forum... I think our 
> >> release covers us for that use.  But for other photos,
> if someone 
> >> challenged it, this is a clear infringement of
> copyright.
> >>
> >> Everyone does this so freely on APC (which really
> surprises me, 
> >> considering that Art is a lawyer and should know
> better) and I know I've 
> >> always been odd-man-out over there, so the last thing
> I wanted to do was 
> >> make waves. (besides, it was no skin off my teeth)
> >>
> >> I haven't known quite what to do about it on our
> forum, though.  I hate 
> >> to slow down traffic, or for us to be percieved as the
> spoil sports, but 
> >> we do have some exposure.
> >>
> >> Karen
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Olson"
> <erik@thekrib.com>
> >> To: "AGA Advisory Committee" <aga-mcm@thekrib.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:16 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] Electronic Re-publishing
> Article
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hey, cool!  Guess we did the right thing in how we
> present the disk.
> >>>
> >>> Interestingly, the ACA was just offered a "service"
> by John Benn to sell 
> >>> PDFs of individual articles to people online, with
> John getting 10% of 
> >>> the cut.  The ACA declined because in John redoing
> the articles as 
> >>> standalone PDFs, there were worries that this would
> be considered a new 
> >>> work rather than a straight reprint/back-issue, and
> they had not given 
> >>> the authors permission for publishing their work in
> this manner.
> >>>
> >>> Does make me think, though, that we need to get
> special permission from 
> >>> an author when we're going to put their article on
> the website.  But 
> >>> I'll bet Cheryl's already thought of that! :)
> >>>
> >>>   - Erik
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Larry Lampert wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Here is an interesting article on a National
> >>>> Geographic lawsuit concerning electronic content
> >>>> republishing. Sounds familiar?
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Larry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
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