I am proposing that we list one "shipping included" for each item USA, maybe one for Canada/Mexico, and one foreign, much like we do on the membership page. I am assuming that the costs we charge for US today include shipping packing materials, and are not losing us money (though this may not be true with PAMs on sale for $3 each).
What I need for the website is exactly HOW MUCH to charge for each item we sell:
US Canada/Mexico Foreign Single Issue PAM 3 4 5 Single Issue TAG 6 7 8 5+4 Special 40 ?? ?? Aquarium Plant Handbook 25/30 ?? ?? Ecology of the Planted Aquarium 30/35 ?? ?? - Erik On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, S. Hieber wrote:
Okay, we send via mail, yes? If so, then the prices you cited look good to me too. It wiggles a bit on the foreigns depending on location, sure, but we jsut want a happy medium. I'm thinking we use 1.50 for domestic-- 2 for canada/Mex-- 3.60 for foreign. For multiples and 0.25 per item domestic; 0.50 for foreign. If you want to wait for weighing, I can try to do that tomorrow. I got caught up longer pouring the conrete than I expected. Oh, and I have to TAG ad billings. . . Btw, I mailed of the IRS filing. Every year IRS gets a sample TAG -- easier than trying to write out a paragraph that at its best could'nt do it justice. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ From: Jen Dillon <jen.ford@gmail.com> To: aga-mcm@thekrib.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:30:01 AM Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] AGA-mcm Digest, Vol 56, Issue 2 As far as how stuff is shipped - I do padded envelopes for overseas mailings because they tend to get torn up if I just do a paper envelope. If they buy the APH and any other TAGs, I have to put them in a box, but a single APH can go in a padded envelope alright. If they do something crazy like a 6+4 (now 5+4) and a bunch of other issues, obviously I have to use a box. I have an assortment of shipping supplies and just do whatever makes sense and doesn't seem like it'll get torn up. Those prices look right to me - but keep an eye out for ANOTHER postal rate hike in the next couple months. I remember seeing a sign about that in the post office but I'm not sure how it'll affect us. - Jen On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:40 AM, <aga-mcm-request@thekrib.com> wrote: Send AGA-mcm mailing list submissions to aga-mcm@thekrib.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aga-mcm-request@thekrib.com You can reach the person managing the list at aga-mcm-owner@thekrib.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AGA-mcm digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: TAG and PAM inventory (Paula Hofmann) 2. Re: TAG and PAM inventory (S. Hieber) 3. Re: TAG and PAM inventory (Larry Lampert) 4. Re: TAG and PAM inventory (S. Hieber) 5. Re: TAG and PAM inventory (Erik Olson) 6. Re: TAG and PAM inventory (S. Hieber) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 08:19:33 -0600 From: Paula Hofmann <paulahofmann@montana.com> Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> Message-ID: <1238768373.26639.13.camel@pogo.swamp> Content-Type: text/plain Single issue TAG from Missoula $1.34 to anywhere in the US plus the cost of an envelope (don't have that receipt for 500 envelopes, probably $.10). Canada under $2. Overseas $3.60. Scott would know better. He has all my past receipts. Paula On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 08:48 -0500, Cheryl Rogers wrote: > Isn't the weight printed on the receipts? So we (lol) could look at > receipts and see which ones are foreign, how much they weighed, and > what it cost? > > Cheryl > > > > S. Hieber wrote: > > Someone on the Mangement Committee? I was a someone once. Now I'm just a whoever. Someday I'll be a whatshisname, but that beats being an "Oh, him!" > > > > Thinking out loud here -- Relative volume isn't so much an issue here; so it's a question of the relative weights, right? I think we (how victorian) could weigh the various items, figure the UPS shipping price for each unique weight (a little rounding up will simply things here) and then apply the rates accordingly to each item. I can do this if no one else has the notion. I need to know what kind of case ships with which DVD (or do they all weigh the same), or what the total package weight typcially is. > > > > > > > > Part of the complication is that we have something like 30plus items for sale although many of these are the same shippingwise (this DVD or that) this TAG or that PAM. > > > > When was the last time we adjusted unit or shipping prices? > > > > sh > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> > > To: Jen Dillon <jen.ford@gmail.com> > > Cc: aga-mcm@thekrib.com > > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 1:15:51 AM > > Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory > > > > Done, on website stuff. Wow, we're catching up fast -- so only 2008 TAGs remain in back issues -- Cheryl, I'm gonna need those PDFs for the e-archive... > > > > In terms of "flat", I was thinking more along the lines of including the shipping PER item. i.e., individual TAG or PAM - $3 extra; APH $7 extra; etc. Then I could have the website show two options for each purchase, the domestic and foreign. > > > > Maybe we could get someone on the management committee to calculate a ballpark cost to ship each of these types of items. > > > > - Erik > > > > On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Jen Dillon wrote: > > > > > > > PAM Spring 2001 (Issue #5) - Officially SOLD OUT. > > > > > > TAG 20 v 2 - SOLD OUT (technically 1 left) > > > TAG 20 v 3 - SOLD OUT (technically 2 left) > > > TAG 20 v 4 - SOLD OUT > > > > > > Also - be sure to update the 6+4 (now 5+4). > > > > > > As far as the flat rate foreign shipping - that would certainly make my life easier. I'm not > > > sure what a fair price would be. Depending on what they get (APH vs. TAGs), shipping generally > > > runs between $10-15. I've had a couple more than that, a couple less, but I'd say that's a good > > > estimate. I can dig up more receipts if you'd like to see data breakdown. Please let me know > > > what the Board has to say about adding this? > > > > > > - Jen > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Jen Dillon wrote: > > > > > > PAM Spring 2001 (Issue #5) - I only have 2 left, so I'd say these are > > > basically sold out. > > > > > > TAG - We have Vol. 20 no 2 - Present and nothing before. I've gotten > > > several requests for older > > > issues that I've had to turn down. > > > > > > > > > Website now updated with these > > > > > > Another thing that I've been wondering - Is there any way to make it easier to > > > catch people who forget to pay the foreign shipping charge? I keep missing > > > them, and I really *really* really hate asking people for money, especially if > > > I catch my mistake after I've already sent the magazines. I think many of > > > these people just don't see that they have to ask for a shipping estimate - > > > can we make it clearer somehow? > > > > > > > > > The best way I can see is to have a fixed price for foreign orders for EVERYTHING, so they > > > have to select one or the other. I think it was left the confused way because Diana > > > preferred to calculate the shipping based on the total order. But if you could figure out > > > a simple flat rate that covers most/all countries, then we could just allow them to > > > pre-select. > > > > > > Aside from this, I don't think we have any sort of magic calculator app that will do it > > > for us, nor does PayPal offer it. :( > > > > > > - Erik > > > > > > -- > > > Erik Olson > > > erik at thekrib dot com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Erik Olson > > erik at thekrib dot com > > _______________________________________________ > > AGA-mcm mailing list > > AGA-mcm@thekrib.com > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AGA-mcm mailing list > AGA-mcm@thekrib.com > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> Message-ID: <194013.41716.qm@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Okie doke. thanks folks. If we're not using padded than the envelope cost is negligible given the margin of error for changing UPS and USPS rates. I'll send something out this weekend. Have some cement work to fit in this weekend too. And then I'm going to CA April 10-20. That state had one of the largest governmental monetary surpluses in the world when I left in 1982. Didn't take them long to? go to hell in handbasket. sh ----- Original Message ---- From: Paula Hofmann <paulahofmann@montana.com> To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 10:19:33 AM Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory Single issue TAG from Missoula $1.34 to anywhere in the US plus the cost of an envelope (don't have that receipt for 500 envelopes, probably $.10).? Canada under $2.? Overseas $3.60.? Scott would know better.? He has all my past receipts.? Paula On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 08:48 -0500, Cheryl Rogers wrote: > Isn't the weight printed on the receipts? So we (lol) could look at > receipts and see which ones are foreign, how much they weighed, and > what it cost? > > Cheryl > > > > S. Hieber wrote: > > Someone on the Mangement Committee? I was a someone once. Now I'm just a whoever. Someday I'll be a whatshisname, but that beats being an "Oh, him!" > > > > Thinking out loud here -- Relative volume isn't so much an issue here; so it's a question of the relative weights, right? I think we (how victorian) could weigh the various items, figure the UPS shipping price for each unique weight (a little rounding up will simply things here) and then apply the rates accordingly to each item.? I can do this if no one else has the notion. I need to know what kind of case ships with which DVD (or do they all weigh the same), or what the total package weight typcially is. > > > > > > > > Part of the complication is that we have something like 30plus items for sale although many of these are the same shippingwise (this DVD or? that) this TAG or that PAM. > > > > When was the last time we adjusted unit or shipping prices? > > > > sh > > > > > >? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> > > To: Jen Dillon <jen.ford@gmail.com> > > Cc: aga-mcm@thekrib.com > > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 1:15:51 AM > > Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory > > > > Done, on website stuff.? Wow, we're catching up fast -- so only 2008 TAGs remain in back issues -- Cheryl, I'm gonna need those PDFs for the e-archive... > > > > In terms of "flat", I was thinking more along the lines of including the shipping PER item.? i.e., individual TAG or PAM - $3 extra; APH $7 extra; etc.? Then I could have the website show two options for each purchase, the domestic and foreign. > > > > Maybe we could get someone on the management committee to calculate a ballpark cost to ship each of these types of items. > > > >? - Erik > > > > On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Jen Dillon wrote: > > > >? > > > PAM Spring 2001 (Issue #5) - Officially SOLD OUT. > > > > > > TAG 20 v 2 - SOLD OUT (technically 1 left) > > > TAG 20 v 3 - SOLD OUT (technically 2 left) > > > TAG 20 v 4 - SOLD OUT > > > > > > Also - be sure to update the 6+4 (now 5+4). > > > > > > As far as the flat rate foreign shipping - that would certainly make my life easier.? I'm not > > > sure what a fair price would be.? Depending on what they get (APH vs. TAGs), shipping generally > > > runs between $10-15.? I've had a couple more than that, a couple less, but I'd say that's a good > > > estimate.? I can dig up more receipts if you'd like to see data breakdown.? Please let me know > > > what the Board has to say about adding this? > > > > > > - Jen > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote: > > >? ? ? On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Jen Dillon wrote: > > > > > >? ? ? ? ? ? PAM Spring 2001 (Issue #5)? - I only have 2 left, so I'd say these are > > >? ? ? ? ? ? basically sold out. > > > > > >? ? ? ? ? ? TAG - We have Vol. 20 no 2 - Present and nothing before.? I've gotten > > >? ? ? ? ? ? several requests for older > > >? ? ? ? ? ? issues that I've had to turn down. > > > > > > > > > Website now updated with these > > > > > >? ? ? Another thing that I've been wondering - Is there any way to make it easier to > > >? ? ? catch people who forget to pay the foreign shipping charge?? I keep missing > > >? ? ? them, and I really *really* really hate asking people for money, especially if > > >? ? ? I catch my mistake after I've already sent the magazines.? I think many of > > >? ? ? these people just don't see that they have to ask for a shipping estimate - > > >? ? ? can we make it clearer somehow? > > > > > > > > > The best way I can see is to have a fixed price for foreign orders for EVERYTHING, so they > > > have to select one or the other.? I think it was left the confused way because Diana > > > preferred to calculate the shipping based on the total order.? But if you could figure out > > > a simple flat rate that covers most/all countries, then we could just allow them to > > > pre-select. > > > > > > Aside from this, I don't think we have any sort of magic calculator app that will do it > > > for us, nor does PayPal offer it. :( > > > > > >? - Erik > > > > > > -- > > > Erik Olson > > > erik at thekrib dot com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >? ? > > > > -- Erik Olson > > erik at thekrib dot com > > _______________________________________________ > > AGA-mcm mailing list > > AGA-mcm@thekrib.com > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm > > > >? > _______________________________________________ > AGA-mcm mailing list > AGA-mcm@thekrib.com > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm _______________________________________________ AGA-mcm mailing list AGA-mcm@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:44:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Lampert <l_lampert@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> Message-ID: <118631.39604.qm@web83107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ten days in CA eh, hmm that might be enough for you and Arnold to straighten things up a bit ;-). Have a great trip! Regards, Larry --- On Fri, 4/3/09, S. Hieber <shieber@yahoo.com> wrote: > From: S. Hieber <shieber@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory > To: "AGA Advisory Committee" <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 9:35 AM > Okie doke. thanks folks. If we're not using padded than > the envelope cost is negligible given the margin of error > for changing UPS and USPS rates. > > I'll send something out this weekend. Have some cement > work to fit in this weekend too. And then I'm going to > CA April 10-20. That state had one of the largest > governmental monetary surpluses in the world when I left in > 1982. Didn't take them long to? go to hell in > handbasket. > > sh > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paula Hofmann <paulahofmann@montana.com> > To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 10:19:33 AM > Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory > > Single issue TAG from Missoula $1.34 to anywhere in the US > plus the cost > of an envelope (don't have that receipt for 500 > envelopes, probably > $.10).? Canada under $2.? Overseas $3.60.? Scott would > know better.? He > has all my past receipts.? Paula > > On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 08:48 -0500, Cheryl Rogers wrote: > > Isn't the weight printed on the receipts? So we > (lol) could look at > > receipts and see which ones are foreign, how much they > weighed, and > > what it cost? > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > S. Hieber wrote: > > > Someone on the Mangement Committee? I was a > someone once. Now I'm just a whoever. Someday I'll > be a whatshisname, but that beats being an "Oh, > him!" > > > > > > Thinking out loud here -- Relative volume > isn't so much an issue here; so it's a question of > the relative weights, right? I think we (how victorian) > could weigh the various items, figure the UPS shipping price > for each unique weight (a little rounding up will simply > things here) and then apply the rates accordingly to each > item.? I can do this if no one else has the notion. I need > to know what kind of case ships with which DVD (or do they > all weigh the same), or what the total package weight > typcially is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Part of the complication is that we have > something like 30plus items for sale although many of these > are the same shippingwise (this DVD or? that) this TAG or > that PAM. > > > > > > When was the last time we adjusted unit or > shipping prices? > > > > > > sh > > > > > > > > >? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> > > > To: Jen Dillon <jen.ford@gmail.com> > > > Cc: aga-mcm@thekrib.com > > > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 1:15:51 AM > > > Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory > > > > > > Done, on website stuff.? Wow, we're catching > up fast -- so only 2008 TAGs remain in back issues -- > Cheryl, I'm gonna need those PDFs for the e-archive... > > > > > > In terms of "flat", I was thinking more > along the lines of including the shipping PER item.? i.e., > individual TAG or PAM - $3 extra; APH $7 extra; etc.? Then > I could have the website show two options for each purchase, > the domestic and foreign. > > > > > > Maybe we could get someone on the management > committee to calculate a ballpark cost to ship each of these > types of items. > > > > > >? - Erik > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Jen Dillon wrote: > > > > > >? > > > > PAM Spring 2001 (Issue #5) - Officially SOLD > OUT. > > > > > > > > TAG 20 v 2 - SOLD OUT (technically 1 left) > > > > TAG 20 v 3 - SOLD OUT (technically 2 left) > > > > TAG 20 v 4 - SOLD OUT > > > > > > > > Also - be sure to update the 6+4 (now 5+4). > > > > > > > > As far as the flat rate foreign shipping - > that would certainly make my life easier.? I'm not > > > > sure what a fair price would be.? Depending > on what they get (APH vs. TAGs), shipping generally > > > > runs between $10-15.? I've had a couple > more than that, a couple less, but I'd say that's a > good > > > > estimate.? I can dig up more receipts if > you'd like to see data breakdown.? Please let me know > > > > what the Board has to say about adding this? > > > > > > > > - Jen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Erik Olson > <erik@thekrib.com> wrote: > > > >? ? ? On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Jen Dillon > wrote: > > > > > > > >? ? ? ? ? ? PAM Spring 2001 (Issue > #5)? - I only have 2 left, so I'd say these are > > > >? ? ? ? ? ? basically sold out. > > > > > > > >? ? ? ? ? ? TAG - We have Vol. 20 no 2 > - Present and nothing before.? I've gotten > > > >? ? ? ? ? ? several requests for older > > > >? ? ? ? ? ? issues that I've had to > turn down. > > > > > > > > > > > > Website now updated with these > > > > > > > >? ? ? Another thing that I've been > wondering - Is there any way to make it easier to > > > >? ? ? catch people who forget to pay the > foreign shipping charge?? I keep missing > > > >? ? ? them, and I really *really* really > hate asking people for money, especially if > > > >? ? ? I catch my mistake after I've > already sent the magazines.? I think many of > > > >? ? ? these people just don't see that > they have to ask for a shipping estimate - > > > >? ? ? can we make it clearer somehow? > > > > > > > > > > > > The best way I can see is to have a fixed > price for foreign orders for EVERYTHING, so they > > > > have to select one or the other.? I think > it was left the confused way because Diana > > > > preferred to calculate the shipping based on > the total order.? But if you could figure out > > > > a simple flat rate that covers most/all > countries, then we could just allow them to > > > > pre-select. > > > > > > > > Aside from this, I don't think we have > any sort of magic calculator app that will do it > > > > for us, nor does PayPal offer it. :( > > > > > > > >? - Erik > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Erik Olson > > > > erik at thekrib dot com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >? ? > > > > > > -- Erik Olson > > > erik at thekrib dot com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AGA-mcm mailing list > > > AGA-mcm@thekrib.com > > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm > > > > > >? > > _______________________________________________ > > AGA-mcm mailing list > > AGA-mcm@thekrib.com > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm > > _______________________________________________ > AGA-mcm mailing list > AGA-mcm@thekrib.com > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm > > _______________________________________________ > AGA-mcm mailing list > AGA-mcm@thekrib.com > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:59:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> Message-ID: <698265.98756.qm@web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You kidding? He heard there was trouble and and and the misses went straight to Hawaii for R and R. ----- Original Message ---- From: Larry Lampert <l_lampert@yahoo.com> To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 10:44:43 AM Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory Ten days in CA eh, hmm that might be enough for you and Arnold to straighten things up a bit ;-). Have a great trip! Regards, Larry ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0904030756590.18854@pulcher.thekrib.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Paula Hofmann wrote: > Single issue TAG from Missoula $1.34 to anywhere in the US plus the cost > of an envelope (don't have that receipt for 500 envelopes, probably > $.10). Canada under $2. Overseas $3.60. Scott would know better. He > has all my past receipts. Paula That's EXACTLY what I'm interested in knowing! So the website could say Single Issue TAG US and Canada $6 Elsewhere $8 Just need to fill in the other blanks for the back issue combo TAG/PAM, and the two books! - Erik -- Erik Olson erik at thekrib dot com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:40:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> Message-ID: <439403.99391.qm@web30802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 righto. got it. ----- Original Message ---- From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 11:03:25 AM Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] TAG and PAM inventory On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Paula Hofmann wrote: > Single issue TAG from Missoula $1.34 to anywhere in the US plus the cost > of an envelope (don't have that receipt for 500 envelopes, probably > $.10).? Canada under $2.? Overseas $3.60.? Scott would know better.? He > has all my past receipts.? Paula That's EXACTLY what I'm interested in knowing!? So the website could say Single Issue TAG??? US and Canada $6??? Elsewhere $8 Just need to fill in the other blanks for the back issue combo TAG/PAM, and the two books! ? - Erik -- Erik Olson erik at thekrib dot com _______________________________________________ AGA-mcm mailing list AGA-mcm@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ AGA-mcm mailing list AGA-mcm@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-mcm End of AGA-mcm Digest, Vol 56, Issue 2 **************************************
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