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Re: [AGA-Member] Low-light tanks & CO2



S. Hieber wrote:

It seems that light reflectds back into the tank off of the
glas under water. so height doesn't seem to matter as much
in an aquarium as with a terresterial garden.

Next time you do a large water change, check out how much
light escapes the tank when the wter is low vs when the
tank is full of water.


Interesting--in fact, a *lot* of glare escapes when the water level is low, I'd say 1/2 - 3/4 of the energy must be bouncing out of the upper walls when the level is low. There's nowhere near that level of glare with the water up behind to top tank rim.

Also, if you're using tube, like fluorescent lighting,
distance has less effect than when using a point source.


Ahh, that suggests that if I increase with another (small) fixture, it should also be a flourescent. I might do a 18 or 24" CF.
Thanks!


sh

--- Heather J Gladney <hgladney@comcast.net> wrote:



Thankyou--that's good to know! I was fretting a bit
about spending money on lights. Not just now, when things are tight for
everybody!


Adam Michels wrote:



Heather, I've heard from an experienced source that as


long as you have


strong lighting to begin with, like you do (I run two


96W 6700K PCs on


my 55G and they're strong!), a 24" depth shouldn't be


any different than


an 18" depth. I know a lot of people say otherwise, but


the source


assured me that depth only becomes an issue when it much


deeper; he


exaggerated and said "30 feet."
Because my lights are 36" and my tank is 48" I place


plants like


Hygrophila, Bacopa caroliniana, Rotala repens, Mayaca,


Anubias,


Aponogetons, Sagittaria etc. in areas like the corners


where the light


is less intense. I place my light-demanding plants


directly under the


lighting, where it is most intense. You probably don't


need more


lighting, unless you want it. It's like with reef tanks;


you can get


away with keeping more light-demanding corals by keeping


them closer to


the lights. The bunch plants will grow upward and then


the 24" depth


will be more like 6" to their tips. Plant the


shade-loving or


less-demanding plants in the corners. I know making the


tank look well


designed is important but making the plants strong and


healthy comes


first, right? My tank could definitely use a woman's


touch; what a


jungle!


Adam

-----Original Message-----
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Heather J Gladney


Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:10 PM
To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Member Chat
Subject: Re: [AGA-Member] Low-light tanks & CO2

S. Hieber wrote:





--- Heather J Gladney <hgladney@comcast.net> wrote:







I'd like to hear more about how to keep them, too.





Currently got BGA in my tank (bleahh!) and yet fairly high N going, so I
suspect that I let my tank's TDS get too high, not enough water changes,


for


discus.






How high is high? Also, what are the phoshpate levels?






At the risk of hijacking the thread here--file it in a


new category?


I've been meaning to ask about this for awhile


anyway...with your

indulgence, please...
I think this one's called, "not enough water changes",


in spite of the

fact there's folks out there who insist you don't have


to.


Last testing batch I did:
pH 6.7 (down from 7.0 over a month, using solenoid on


pressurized CO2

system.)
KH 5 (up from 3 over the month)
GH 13- 16 (down from 15-18--I think this was Mg, it shot


way up when I

added Epsom + Seachem Equilibrium.)
nitrate about .3 mg/l steadily,
nitrate about 50-60 mg/l (this is down from prior 100


mg/l--when I added


no ferts, it ran about 12 mg/l routinely).
phosphate 1.5 - 2.0 mg/l, probably closer to 2 (up from


prior .5 - .67


mg/l)
iron test showed over 1 mg/l, more like 2 mg/l, which I


understand is


high.
I found tap was running GH 4-5, generally around pH 7.0


-7.2.


Before this test, as I saw the BGA, I had been adding


some extra

nitrates + traces, and stopped when I got these


results.


In the last month, at water changes I just added some


dolomitic lime to

tapwater to maintain CO2/hardness, and stopped adding


anything in the

last couple of weeks.
Also had to drop the light levels, as one of my fixtures


ground-faulted

(bye-bye!)
So now I'm running two 92 watt CF 36" bulbs, on


estimated 78 gallons

actual (at a guess, as it's both deep and a


corner-diamond shape, and I

didn't measure on first fill, dummy me--90 gallons


nominal) so that puts


it in that awkward 2 watts per gallon range, I find the


high-light

plants don't like it.
I'm debating about how to punch more light down into the


24" depth with

some sort of fixture in less than 24" width.

As always, thanks for everybody's help!!
Heather





If the nitrates are high but the phosphates are


remaining


at about 1 ppm, continue dosing the phosphates but let


lay


off on the nitrates until the level gets down closer to
about 10 ppm. Each 50% water change should cut the


nitrate


level in half. It might then build or decline between


water


changes depending on feeding and dosing.

Some have said bga occurs due to nitrate limitation.


I've


seen it when the nitrates are very high. This could be


due


to a combination of related factors, such as not enough
other nutrients for the plants to be able to use up the
nitrates.

Anyhow, try to aim for the targets and see if things


don't


clear up that way. OF course, physcally remove what bga


or


algae you can before a water change is always a big


help.


good luck, good fun,
sh

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