Hopefully by now you have gotten a chance to catch up on the MCM list and the thread involving the showcase and publishing in PAM. I'm kinda stuck here. In my opinion, Mary's latest e-mails have been closed-minded, unreasonable, hippocrytical, caustic, even childish, and lethal to the AGA's survival in the outside world. I could try to address individual points, but it feels like they'd only be met with more "Nuh-uh!" It is my impression at this point that Mary is not going to reconsider her position one iota, so we will NOT be getting buy-in to publish photographs in the upcoming PAM. I should probably tell Dave that it's not going to happen, but Karen has suggested having a discussion in the Steering Committee before I do this. I'm not exactly sure what is to be discussed, but I'll try to start...I think Karen was right on the money with the "sandbox" message. Removing all personal feelings or personel involved: The AGA is an organization, whose purpose is printed in the front cover of TAG: "disseminate information, study and improve techniques, increase interest, and promote fellowship". TAG is the AGA's journal, is sent only to members, and is primarily a communication vehicle to our members. TAG doesn't have an explicit mission statement. PAM is a magazine covering the hobby, and if you read Dave's initial editorial in PAM #1, it's purpose is to provide information about the planted aquarium hobby in magazine form. That's it. End of story. My point: 1. It's in PAM's interest to cover ANY cool event in the hobby. 2. The AGA is finally starting to move away from the AGA=TAG mode and do events of general interest to the hobby and outside of AGA membership. 3. Such broad-appeal events should be promoted and reported outside of the AGA as well as from within. 3. If PAM is here for the long haul, then it's one of the primary vehicles for this promotion, and we should be on good relations with the magazine. I interpret Mary's e-mails as a desire to sever as many ties with Dave (and thus implicitly PAM) as possible. While I feel this is acceptable for anyone to do on a personal level (hence my attempt to get Neil to stop bugging her last week to work with Dave on getting a printer---thank you Neil for backing down), given the above points this is NOT acceptable that she would like the ENTIRE ORGANIZATION to do burn bridges with PAM. Does anyone have any suggestions on how we should proceed here? - Erik -- Erik Olson erik at thekrib dot com ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-sc" in the body of the message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-sc When asked, log in as username is "aga-sc", and password "showy".