OK.. so based on some e-mail I have received from Dave today (and talking with Kathy at dinner), I think that perhaps we should distance the AGA as much as possible from PAM now. Dave is about to do something (sending an average of 6 copies of back issues as fulfillment to his remaining 300 subscribers) that will not only piss off his entire membership, but could possibly bring on a lawsuit against him, and he seems unconcerned about it. He is awaiting an "answer" from the AGA on whether it wants to adopt PAM. Discussion is officially open on this issue now. If someone would like to make a motion, by all means, go for it. To recap the issue from my notes from Saturday: * Dave has offered to give PAM to Karen, or the AGA. * PAM assets include 330 subscribers, its 15 advertisers, a backlog of articles, and a stockpile of back issues * PAM liabilities include 1900 promised copies to the 330 subscribers, and loans to Karen, Neil, and Dave himself. * There are four jobs in Dave's world: "Cowboy" - get articles and photographs "Copy/Tech Editing" - "you can pay someone to do this" "Design" - Layout and such "Production" - Getting to the printers, mailing, etc * Dave would like to continue as "cowboy" but not as anything else. * Dave wants to continue to pay authors. He currently pays them double what the magazines pay, but does not pay anyone else for producing PAM. (Actually, I think he pays Karen, Neil and himself for tech ed and production, but as loans.) * Costs: Printing $3500/issue for 1500 copies. $200 gets you an additional 1000 copies. Authors paid $3500/issue Copy + tech edit $400 Production $20x80 Mailing 40 cents/issue (80 cents foreign) Office Supplies $200 Ads offset approx $4000 of this? * Any of the above may be total BS, subject to change at any moment. -- Erik Olson erik at thekrib dot com ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-sc" in the body of the message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-sc When asked, log in as username is "aga-sc", and password "showy".