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Re: [AGA SC] Re: AGA Goals (fwd)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy Olson" <kathy@thekrib.com>
To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AGA SC] Re: AGA Goals (fwd)
> David,
>
> I think your motion is valid. I too would like to know our legal risk.
> The problem is that I am not sure there is a clear answer. We definitely
> know there is a risk, the more you are out there with people, more
> exposure you have. The thing that just irks me to all get out, is that
> the big lawsuits are really over life/limb issues. We are NOT dealing
> with that here, and as long as the club arranging the field trips has a
> GOOD auto policy for the conventions, we are not in a life or limb
> situation. The main thing I would see is the libel issue. Again, maybe a
> good sign up on the forum..saying when someone agrees to be a part of it,
> get their name/post that they acknowledge that the opinions expressed here
> are soley those of the individual...blah..blah...blah and not those of the
> AGA.
There are two problems -- 1) this has not been enough experience for
insurers or lawyers to know what trhe risk is and 2) free opinions from
lawyer friends/relatives are worthless. Most of the time, if they are
willing to opine at all, they give a response with short thinking time.
This is not what I want to hear about our liabilityh exposure for a web
forum. Ain't America great -- anyone can sue anyone, and you have to defend
yourself.
>
> Again, from what I see, we all carry much more LIABILITY risk by driving
> our cars. Much worse potential for causing harm to another individual
> (god forbid) than the AGA would ever do on the internet. It is basically
> having coverage that would pay the legal fees in case some crazy person
> out there decided to go for the AGA. (again no money there really either
> and they would have to pay a butt load of legal fees too, that would stop
> most people). So I think our risk is small.
Probably right -- but if the chance of a lawsuit suceeding is 1% and they
are suing for $1mm, then the exposure is $10k. Just don't really know.
>
> The other problem that I realized when researching the NOVAK thing with
> Erik...and I got us the attorney that charged us 1,000 to write a one page
> letter...eeeek!! (and talked with EFF, Electronic Frontiers Foundation
> who only does law stuff on internet)...the PROBLEM is that web/internet is
> so new that there are no precedents. Lawyers/courts/judges are really in
> a new territory here, so people really don't know. Not enough info yet.
> We/I went to an attorney at a big firm here in Seattle to the lawyer who
> specialized in internet law. We never walked in the door of the firm. We
> talked for less than 10 min on the phone, and that was 1,000.
Yes -- that's right
>
> I would say exploit the friend contact where we can to get a much better
> idea before we ever think of talking with an attorney. When it comes to
> time to talk to them, we need carefully thought out questions, or things
> we want them to address to minimize the cost. This stuff is pretty pricey
> and unfortunately the cheap ones...there is a reason perhaps why they
> aren't at the big firm.
>
> Just my 2 cents tossed in.
>
> Oh yeah...no I haven't talked to Erik on this. We are trying to minimize
> Markus' time at daycare to limit it to a max of 8 hours. So, Erik leaves
> early on the days that I am working late, and then works late on the other
> days of the week, and I get Markus on those days. Yes, we do sometimes
> communicate by email, and don't get to talk in person on these things. I
> am out the door sometimes before Markus is awake and back when he is
> asleep. :( Grr, wish we had better arrangements in this society to
> accomodate kids.
Sounds very relaxing????? I'm really glad that it worked out well for you
guys, and don't worry, you can talk to each other and catch up on your sleep
in 4 or 5 years.
Thanks for your response.
Take care,
David
>
> Kathy
>
>
>
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, David Lass wrote:
>
> > Ok - maybe it is premature -- I withdraw the motion.
> > David
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
> > To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AGA SC] Re: AGA Goals (fwd)
> >
> >
> > > That's fine, but I don't think we are at a point where we should run
out
> > > and spend $1500 to find out if we can get sued by having a forum. We
may
> > > have to do this before it happens, but I don't think we have the kind
of
> > > money to throw around this early on in the process. That's all.
> > >
> > > - Erik
> > >
> > > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, David Lass wrote:
> > >
> > > > All due respect -- but -- free legal advice is worth just what you
pay
> > for
> > > > it. I really think that before we seriously consider starting a
forum we
> > > > should know what kind of exposure we have, both as an organization
and
> > > > individually as officers and board members.
> > > > Just my humble opinion.
> > > > David
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
> > > > To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:31 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AGA SC] Re: AGA Goals (fwd)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, David Lass wrote:
> > > > > > PS -- If you want I will make this as a formal motion -- that we
> > hire an
> > > > > > attorney to advise us about the legal aspects of AGA starting a
> > forum on
> > > > the
> > > > > > Internet, and that we spent up to $1,500 for the lawyer's time.
> > > > >
> > > > > My opinion is that I don't think this would be an appropriate use
of
> > $1500
> > > > > at this time. Perhaps before going to that level, we should see
if
> > any of
> > > > > our lawyer friends might have some advice first. John Benn maybe?
> > > > > Actually, I know what he'd probably say, so maybe not John.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Erik
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Erik Olson
> > > > > erik at thekrib dot com
> > > > >
> > > > >
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