- Erik On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Larry Lampert wrote:
I think you nailed it Scott. They don't seem to talk to each other or have any real organizational ability. I also think the bid document is to daunting at least for these folks. I would be glad to help you redesign it to make it easier to understand. I am not sure that it isn't easy to understand now but we have to do something. Let's not put to much into what this guy says, same goes for DG, and skids. I guess we need to ask Jim what is going on. I hate to say it but I am losing my patience with these guys. They are like GWAPA except less organized and perhaps even less experienced. We have tried giving them a well documented convention document then tried spoon feeding them just bits and pieces when they couldn't grasp it all. I am not sure what to do now except maybe start planning for a Plan "B". We still need to continue moving forward with them until we decide that it just won't work but I also think we need to set ourselves a deadline on getting together some type of plan "B". This way if it doesn't work we will still give our members an AGA. I am not saying we need to start our own ICC ACA yet, but we need to give ourselves a drop dead date by which we will start the process. Regards, Larry --- "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com> wrote:I'm beginning to doubt that these folks talk to each other much or that they have anyone with any planning or, worse, organizational ability. I suspect that SFBAAPS is more like most rather than an exception. We must adapt to the prospects because the prospects have a devile of atime adapting to AGA. Michael suggests that we send out a formal RFP. Well, we pretty much did; if we could spec out the whole convention beforehand, we wouldn't need the local club, we could literally just bid out the local work to some laborers. And anyway, ff we did put even more "specs" in the the document, I think we would just cause even more folks to not read it. I suspect that the comprehensiveness of the current "Guidelines and Requirements" doc is simply too daunting in appearance and therefore, not really read. It's like showing them a contract full of fine print; who's gonna read that stuff? Yet, obviously somehow we have to make our document plainer, easier to read, and more inviting, by which I mean, mapping out steps. Next year I think we *definitely have to have* a fill-in-the-blanks form of requirements document -- a seriously revised version of the current "Guidelines and Rquirements" doc. I can work on this over the holidays, or shortly thereafter and before I get to work on the 2005 IRS filing. But even with a "fill-in" document, unless we want to leave prospective proposers no latitude at all for creativity, there will have to be large portions where "essay" answers are required. I'm only suggesting something that might help, not solve the problem. I fear there will always be those wastes of perfectly good oxygen that can't understand what it means to fax a photo release with signature or to plan and propose an event, no matter what help you give them. sh --- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:I thought I would share another impression from an SFBAAPS organizer on how the bidding process is going. My thoughts in next e-mail... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:49:44 +0000 From: Michael Laflamme <spicolte@hotmail.com> To: erik@thekrib.com Subject: SFBAAPS bid for the AGA 2006 A/Vrequirements...[the e-mail begins asking for any changes in A/V requirements as part of firming up his budget -- snip] Lastly, I have been on the conheads list readingthebanter concerning our convention. I will preface my comments belowwith thestatement that I was only added to the list a few months ago by Jim, soI mayhave missed some earlier conversations. If so, and my commentshavealready been dealt with, then I apologize. Concerning your e-mail detailing your frustrationwithour bid. I understand your frustrations and let me say that the SFBAAPSwouldbe happy to place a bid. However, before we can accomplish this, whatwe needfrom the AGA is a Request for Bid outline. This would include all ofyour"must haves" and your budget. If the AGA could provide us with astandard andcustomary Request for Bid we could reply to it with our information andshowyour organization how the SF bay area would be a wonderful place forthisconference. We are happy to do the work and outline how the project wouldproceedbefore you accept our proposal but we cannot do so without knowing whatyouhave for requirements. So far, we seem to have only had bits and pieces ofwhat isrequired, via the e-mail correspondence to our questions. By stating that we should look at other citiesbids, areyou implying that these cities have provided for all of yourrequests? Itseems to me that you should cull from past meeting and conferencesthose musthaves and budgets and place them into a short Request for Bid and thenallow usto respond. This is the most efficient way to get what you wantwithoutspending countless time on emails asking questions in order to project managethistask. You mention spending time on the phone back andforthironing out the details of the last bid. If this was to clear up the finedetailsof the bid, I would find that acceptable. But, if this was the processfromthe initial contact all the way up until the bid was accepted, then timewaswasted on both sides. During my time in the Air Force, annualinspections werecustomary. However, if a section failed an inspection, the blame was essentially their own. The reason why was simple; The Air Force had detailed instructions and inspection reports that allowed each section of each unit,eachbase, etc. to prepare and pass an inspection because all the info needed was presented beforehand. What would be inspected, what wasacceptable/unacceptable, allguidelines and what was needed to accomplish the goal. Essentially,theinstructions to prepare for and pass the inspection were handed to youmonths,even a year, before the inspection. These type of guidelines apply here as well. Ifwe, orany other bid contender, could receive a detailed list of what is needed tomeetthe needs of your annual show, then we only need to fill in theblanks andpresent you with our bid. This would also benefit the AGA, as it wouldmake itmuch easier for other local groups to put a bid package together, andthen theAGA would have several=== message truncated === _______________________________________________ AGA-sc mailing list AGA-sc@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-sc
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