Re: [AGA-sc] Questions

[Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>]

That was my preferred option.  Jim is going to talk to Bill about this, 
and try and get a read if he's too pissed to do anything.  At this point, 
I think if he's too pissed, we should bail on the shirts entirely rather 
than roll our own.  As annoying and clueless as they are, I think that 
would really be rude and unbecoming.  If he's up for it and can get a 
quote for 50, we should do it and use them as staff shirts (thereby maybe 
helping diffuse the now obiquotus "Pay To Volunteer?" slogan sweeping 
the SFBAAPS membership.  Heck, maybe we can get them printed with "I 
volunteered at the AGA convention and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt!"

   - Erik

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, Kathy Olson wrote:

> I think we should check the cost before we say get them, if we get them
> for $15, sell them for $20, and free shirts for staff??
>
> K
>
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, S. Hieber wrote:
>
>>>>> see below
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
>> To: aga-sc@thekrib.com
>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 4:23:54 AM
>> Subject: [AGA-sc] Questions
>>
>>>>>>>> Ohhhh, those questions.
>>
>>  Another late night reading archives.
>>
>> Scott: I'm looking at the various budget forcecasts used to predict
>> whether the convention would break even, and where it shows it happens at
>> around 80 people.  It appears these did NOT take into account auction
>> revenue, or that auction revenue is hidden from the spreadsheet.  Can you
>> elaborate?
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been assuming auction revs at 1.3 items per paid attendee 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and an avg of $8 per item gross revenue based on 2003 data and a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30% share to the convention. That's not espeically conservative 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except that the convention share will be higher than 30% overall 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the FAN donations are significant $s with 100% going to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the convention. But in any event, Silent and live Auction revs 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are absolutely critical to this thing working out financially.
>>
>> Scott: Based on what I dug up yesterday, I think you are the one to decide 
>> if we have the budget to do T-Shirts (as opposed to asking the question
>> "Are we doing shirts?").  My only suggestion is that whoever might do the
>> printing (Bill, or Cheryl's connections) get a quote for a run of 50
>> rather than 100 shirts.  I think we'll sell around 25-50.  We can probably
>> give away shirts to volunteers as a thank-you.
>>
>>>>> It was hard to know whether to inlcude them or not. I had something small 
>>>>> for shirts that I've been using as a place holder.
>>>>> Let's figure about $650 for 50 shirts or an average of $13 each -- that 
>>>>> fits Bill's vendor's price on a lot of 100. I assume at 80 paid 
>>>>> attendees, we might sell 15 @ $15, proportionally more or less with more 
>>>>> or fewer attendees.
>>
>>>>> With those assumptions, they can generate $300-$400 in losses.  If we can 
>>>>> sell the same number of shirts at $18, then the loss on the shirts would 
>>>>> be about $230-350. The breakeven moves up by the loss divided by $59 so 
>>>>> about 5 to 9 registrations to cover the shirts. It depends very much on  
>>>>> how many we we have to buy, how much we could sell them for and how many 
>>>>> we could sell. On a financial basis, they don't make sense. They will 
>>>>> cost us and we haven't gotten close to 80 paid regs yet. So pushing the 
>>>>> breakeven bar higher might be really pressing it. Otoh, we're probably 
>>>>> within a $1000-$2000 in losses at this point rather than the $3000-$5000 
>>>>> range. And, we might even break even, there's still time for a big rush. 
>>>>> So shirts won't be a terrible burden. Still, financially, they don't make 
>>>>> sense.
>>
>>>>>> As a business decision, it could be good to get them anyway -- PR, 
>>>>>> intangibles, and all that. I say someone should buy 50 shirts if we can 
>>>>>> get them for $13 or less average cost per shirt --  and someone wants to 
>>>>>> get the >>>design , deal worth the shirts and printer, etc.. Be good to 
>>>>>> give some to staffers and sell what we can.
>>
>>>>> Should we ask Bill if he wants to order 50 shirts? ;-)  It might be salt 
>>>>> in a lot of wounds if we did our own convention design shirt at this 
>>>>> point. (although, personally, I'm partial to KR's work).
>>
>> So the narowminded Treasurer says no but I say yes to shirts.
>>
>> sh
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