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Re: [AGA-sc] Questions
Makes sense to me!
Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board" <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Questions
> That was my preferred option. Jim is going to talk to Bill about this,
> and try and get a read if he's too pissed to do anything. At this point,
> I think if he's too pissed, we should bail on the shirts entirely rather
> than roll our own. As annoying and clueless as they are, I think that
> would really be rude and unbecoming. If he's up for it and can get a
> quote for 50, we should do it and use them as staff shirts (thereby maybe
> helping diffuse the now obiquotus "Pay To Volunteer?" slogan sweeping
> the SFBAAPS membership. Heck, maybe we can get them printed with "I
> volunteered at the AGA convention and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt!"
>
> - Erik
>
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, Kathy Olson wrote:
>
>> I think we should check the cost before we say get them, if we get them
>> for $15, sell them for $20, and free shirts for staff??
>>
>> K
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, S. Hieber wrote:
>>
>>>>>> see below
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
>>> To: aga-sc@thekrib.com
>>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 4:23:54 AM
>>> Subject: [AGA-sc] Questions
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ohhhh, those questions.
>>>
>>> Another late night reading archives.
>>>
>>> Scott: I'm looking at the various budget forcecasts used to predict
>>> whether the convention would break even, and where it shows it happens
>>> at
>>> around 80 people. It appears these did NOT take into account auction
>>> revenue, or that auction revenue is hidden from the spreadsheet. Can
>>> you
>>> elaborate?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been assuming auction revs at 1.3 items per paid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attendee and an avg of $8 per item gross revenue based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2003 data and a 30% share to the convention. That's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> espeically conservative except that the convention share
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be higher than 30% overall since the FAN donations are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significant $s with 100% going to the convention. But in any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event, Silent and live Auction revs are absolutely critical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this thing working out financially.
>>>
>>> Scott: Based on what I dug up yesterday, I think you are the one to
>>> decide if we have the budget to do T-Shirts (as opposed to asking the
>>> question
>>> "Are we doing shirts?"). My only suggestion is that whoever might do
>>> the
>>> printing (Bill, or Cheryl's connections) get a quote for a run of 50
>>> rather than 100 shirts. I think we'll sell around 25-50. We can
>>> probably
>>> give away shirts to volunteers as a thank-you.
>>>
>>>>>> It was hard to know whether to inlcude them or not. I had something
>>>>>> small for shirts that I've been using as a place holder.
>>>>>> Let's figure about $650 for 50 shirts or an average of $13 each --
>>>>>> that fits Bill's vendor's price on a lot of 100. I assume at 80 paid
>>>>>> attendees, we might sell 15 @ $15, proportionally more or less with
>>>>>> more or fewer attendees.
>>>
>>>>>> With those assumptions, they can generate $300-$400 in losses. If we
>>>>>> can sell the same number of shirts at $18, then the loss on the
>>>>>> shirts would be about $230-350. The breakeven moves up by the loss
>>>>>> divided by $59 so about 5 to 9 registrations to cover the shirts. It
>>>>>> depends very much on how many we we have to buy, how much we could
>>>>>> sell them for and how many we could sell. On a financial basis, they
>>>>>> don't make sense. They will cost us and we haven't gotten close to 80
>>>>>> paid regs yet. So pushing the breakeven bar higher might be really
>>>>>> pressing it. Otoh, we're probably within a $1000-$2000 in losses at
>>>>>> this point rather than the $3000-$5000 range. And, we might even
>>>>>> break even, there's still time for a big rush. So shirts won't be a
>>>>>> terrible burden. Still, financially, they don't make sense.
>>>
>>>>>>> As a business decision, it could be good to get them anyway -- PR,
>>>>>>> intangibles, and all that. I say someone should buy 50 shirts if we
>>>>>>> can get them for $13 or less average cost per shirt -- and someone
>>>>>>> wants to get the >>>design , deal worth the shirts and printer,
>>>>>>> etc.. Be good to give some to staffers and sell what we can.
>>>
>>>>>> Should we ask Bill if he wants to order 50 shirts? ;-) It might be
>>>>>> salt in a lot of wounds if we did our own convention design shirt at
>>>>>> this point. (although, personally, I'm partial to KR's work).
>>>
>>> So the narowminded Treasurer says no but I say yes to shirts.
>>>
>>> sh
>>>
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