Re: [AGA-sc] AGA 2k8 Contract

[Larry Lampert <l_lampert@yahoo.com>]

See below:

--- "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Peronsal view: at this point they have pretty much
> refused all the major things we've asked for except
> prices, on which you've beaten them back a couple of
> times. For example, they've rejected compensating
> the AGA for noise problems, rejected making any
> promise to provide acceptably quiet meeting rooms,
> require insurance, rejected not charging for items
> we haven't expressly agreed to before being charged,
> and more). I can't think of any of the contested
> items in this version that I'd be willing to give up
> -- if they won't sign this version of the contract,
> I have doubts about doing business with them. If
> they insist on the insurance, then , at a minimum, I
> want mutual obligations on the noise issue,
> including compensation.

I agree but none of the hotels there seem to be
willing to deal once we beat them down on the rates.
Infkation is at play here so is the fact that we are
in Mid-Town. The other hotel wanted to stick us with a
$750 charge for rentals and who knows what else.

> 
> Other thoughts -- stuff we might have covered but I
> don't remember:  Do we know what the charges are to
> hook into the PA in the meeting rooms? Does the
> banquet meal charge include food service of any kind
> (buffet, table service, etc. or is that an add on
> charge)? Perhaps we shouldn't sign a space contract
> without seeing the banquet agreement or to have the
> food service terms spelled out more fully in this
> agreement?
>  

Yeah I have the menus in an email somewhere I guess we
could ask them to attach it as a "Schedule A" or
something like that. I have also received an AV
schedule somewhere I will try to locate it.

Thanks,
Larry

> sh
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Larry Lampert <l_lampert@yahoo.com>
> To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board
> <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:19:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] AGA 2k8 Contract
> 
> Good point, 
> 
> Anyway, I struck the clause again so take a look and
> let me know if there are any other changes that
> should
> be made. If not I will resend it to them.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Larry
> --- "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Keep in mind, that we anre not undertaking any
> > activity that the hotel would not normally be
> > undertaking in its course of business -- no rows
> of
> > tanks, etc.-- so why should we have to purchase
> > insurance?
> >  
> > sh
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: S. Hieber <shieber@yahoo.com>
> > To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board
> > <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:49:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] AGA 2k8 Contract
> > 
> > 
> > Well, right now it seems to me too vague-- we
> don't
> > know hwat we would be agreeing to nor what
> > obligation we would be commiting to. Whatever
> > liability came up, if the insurance didn't cover,
> > wouldn't it exp post facto not be a reasonably
> > sufficient amount of coverage?  
> >  
> >  
> > sh 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Larry Lampert <l_lampert@yahoo.com>
> > To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board
> > <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:55:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] AGA 2k8 Contract
> > 
> > I was actually thinking of striking it again just
> to
> > see what they say. Let me know what you guys
> think.
> > 
> > "Reasonable" is open to interpretation so I would
> > rather leave it at that and not ask them how much
> > they
> > want rather tell them this is what we have. If
> they
> > don't accept it then we have to decide what we
> want
> > to
> > do.
> > 
> > I think if we asked them they would say 7 trillion
> > dolars well maybe not but why would they ask for
> > anything less we are paying:-)
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Larry
> > --- Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> wrote:
> > 
> > > CAN we send it back to them without
> investigating
> > > the insurance issue first? 
> > > We don't know how much insurance they want, or
> > have
> > > any idea what it will 
> > > cost.
> > > 
> > > Karen
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Larry Lampert" <l_lampert@yahoo.com>
> > > To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board"
> > > <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 5:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] AGA 2k8 Contract
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Yeah, I am not sure what reasonable amounts
> are
> > > > either. I am not sure how I feel about them
> > > requiring
> > > > us to have it but it does not seem
> unreasonable
> > > for us
> > > > to have some.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > However, I do think we need some type of
> > liability
> > > > insurance. If for no other reason than to
> cover
> > > the
> > > > potential personal liability of us, the Board.
> > Now
> > > > what that would be I don't know. I know we had
> > > this
> > > > discussion two years ago and I don't remember
> > the
> > > > outcome other than we are going to talk to
> Rusty
> > > or
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Anyways, that is a side note and I don't want
> to
> > > get
> > > > side tracked but it is a topic that may need
> to
> > be
> > > > revisited sooner rather than later.
> > > >
> > > > Are there other changes should we make before
> > > sending
> > > > it back to them?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Larry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I like your changes on the noise -- the basic
> > > point
> > > >> is a good for goose and gander thing.
> > > >>
> > > >> This contract would require the AGA to
> purchase
> > > >> insurance. What's that going to cost? I have
> no
> > > idea
> > > >> how much is "amounts sufficient to provide
> > > coverage
> > > >> for any liabilities which may reasonably
> arise"
> > > >> We've never been required to buy insurance
> > > before. I
> > > >> think this should be off of their nickel--
> > > >> subtracted from the space rental, or
> something.
> > > >>
> > > >> sh
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message ----
> > > >> From: Larry Lampert <l_lampert@yahoo.com>
> > > >> To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board
> > > >> <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> > > >> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:31:49 PM
> 
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