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Re: [AGA-sc] Forums and questions



Ghazanfar will be in Seattle in one month -- I can certainly report on the talk.

Um, I keep repeating this and I know I'm probably sounding like a jerk by now... Jeff Senske should not be asked to talk anytime in the near future. According to Luis, he doesn't enjoy it, and according to quite a few of the feedback forms received thus far, his talk was not very well-received at the convention this year.

  - Erik

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Karen Randall wrote:


Ok, I havenât heard from the rest of you folks. Should I make a motion, or 
should we discuss
this some, first_Â If weâre going to do it, Iâd love your input on who we 
should get as a
speaker. Obviously, Iâd want a U.S. (or at least N.A. speaker) to keep the costs 
down. I know
that sometimes NEC has extra free room nights because of the size of the 
convention. If AGA
will pay for the transportation, I can ask Janine if NEC can find them a corner 
to hang their
hat. Alternately, if thereâs someone within driving distance who could do a 
talk, we could pick
up the room cost.

Â

We had both Erik Do and Luis last year, so I donât want to use either of them. 
Jeff Senske made
Janine crazy. (though it wasnât his fault that he never got there; the snow 
storm took care of
thatâ he spent the weekend in the Chicago)Â Does anyone know if George Lo can 
do a talk? (I
donât think we want a demo againâ they are too hard to orchestrate)Â What about 
Jason Baliban?Â
Ghazanfar for a Crypt talk? I suppose we could ask Jay Luto to do something on 
photographing
planted tanks. Any other possibilities? ÂÂThis could be a good opportunity to âtest 
driveâ a
newer speaker that we might want to consider for AGA in the future.

Â

If the BOD agrees that we should do this, we could move the discussion of who 
to the MC list for
more input.

Â

Karen

Â

From: aga-sc-bounces@thekrib.com [mailto:aga-sc-bounces@thekrib.com] On Behalf 
Of S. Hieber
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:51 AM
To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board
Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Forums and questions

Â

I should add that, although we don't have final figures yet, we did much better 
at the
convention than I had estimated days befroe the event. With several thousand 
dollars f savings
on Amano travel, very robust DVD sales, and a much higher percetnage of auction 
sales than we've
ever had before, rather than netting in the neighborhood of $2g, the final 
figure probably will
be closer to $6g or $7g. Putting some of that to work at NEC wouldn't be a 
financial strain.

Â

sh

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From: S. Hieber <shieber@yahoo.com>
To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 7:40:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Forums and questions

I don't see why not. I have watched aquatic gardening become a bigger part of 
the discussions at
NEC over the last few years as more folks in those old traditional fish clubs 
(some the oldest
in America) slowly grew aquatic gardeners. Even when a blizard made it nearly 
impossoble for so
many folks to attend, we still had a decent turnout on Friday (the peak of the 
blizzard) and a
very good turnout on Saturday. I think it would be a great place to usefully 
apply more of AGA's
resources.

Â

sh

Â


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From: Karen Randall <karenran@verizon.net>
To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 10:21:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Forums and questions

Scott wrote:

Â

When we say we , as ome of us sometimes do, AGA should be doing more, what 
more? What other
demand(s) needs to be filled by the AGA?ÂAnd as Karen points out, who will do the 
more? Imo,
this isÂthe form of a realÂidea, such and such specific personsÂshould do such 
and such specific
tasks to accomplish this or that particular thing. The very general stuff, AGA 
should help
clubs (how? who knows?), AGA should change it's mission (to what end? who 
knows?), isn't really
productive. Show me something for which there is a demandÂnot being met in the 
communityÂand
someone in AGA to do some specific tasks toÂmeet thatÂdemand by using AGA 
resources, that's
something real we can deal with. When AGA approaches things that way, it 
usually does very well
-- the convention, TAG, bookstore and DVDs are great examples.

Â

Iâll tell you somewhere that there is a demand and a core group of workers who 
have
consistently, over MANY years now (more than the convention has been in 
existence) put in a
tremendous amount of effort. That is the NEC convention. You could say that 
âAGAâ does a lot
for the convention already. But that really means that Karen, Scott and David 
do a lot for the
NEC convention, and the only back-up is supplies of TAG and brochures. NEC 
does a LOT for AGA
in return. They give us a large meeting room for two hours, free of cost. 
They give us Vendor
room space, free of cost, and they carefully coordinate with me to make sure 
that the plant
speaker they bring in (at large cost to them, and free of cost to AGA) is a 
well-known, top
quality speaker. This is a tremendous amount of exposure for AGAâ You may be 
seeing a pattern
here.<g>Â There are over 20 local clubs involved with NEC, ranging along the 
entire northeast
seaboard (and a little inland, since there are Pennsylvania clubs as well<g>)

Â

NEC has always brought in a plant speaker. That speaker typically speaks 
during the main part
conference schedule. ÂThen, because I usually know them personally and can work 
it out, they
typically give a second talk at the AGA meeting. This year, NEC is having a 
âplanted tank
themeâ. The âbig nameâ speaker will be Ole Pedersen. But he will already be 
giving two talks
during the main conference schedule, so I hesitate to ask him to do a third. I 
have also been
asked to do an updated version of my Thailand talk for the banquet. (I will 
have been to
Thailand again at that point, so there will be a lot of new material included)Â 
There will be a
plants-only auction on Friday night as well. I donât think there has ever been 
a conference,
outside of AGA with so much to offer planted tank enthusiasts.Â

Â

The problem is our AGA meeting on Friday afternoon. Usually, I either have the 
âmainâ plant
speaker do something, or I put together a talk. Sometimes David or Kim Bryan 
has done
something. I suppose I COULD try to put together a second talk for Friday 
afternoon, but,
honestly, Iâd rather not. Could AGA pay for a speaker for that slot? If so, 
who should we
ask? Ole is speaking on: The algal-free planted aquarium - is it really 
possible? and CO2
fertilization of planted tanks! Why is it sometimes necessary?


Karen

Â




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