Um, I keep repeating this and I know I'm probably sounding like a jerk by now... Jeff Senske should not be asked to talk anytime in the near future. According to Luis, he doesn't enjoy it, and according to quite a few of the feedback forms received thus far, his talk was not very well-received at the convention this year.
- Erik On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Karen Randall wrote:
Ok, I havenât heard from the rest of you folks. Should I make a motion, or should we discuss this some, first_ If weâre going to do it, Iâd love your input on who we should get as a speaker. Obviously, Iâd want a U.S. (or at least N.A. speaker) to keep the costs down. I know that sometimes NEC has extra free room nights because of the size of the convention. If AGA will pay for the transportation, I can ask Janine if NEC can find them a corner to hang their hat. Alternately, if thereâs someone within driving distance who could do a talk, we could pick up the room cost.  We had both Erik Do and Luis last year, so I donât want to use either of them. Jeff Senske made Janine crazy. (though it wasnât his fault that he never got there; the snow storm took care of thatâ he spent the weekend in the Chicago) Does anyone know if George Lo can do a talk? (I donât think we want a demo againâ they are too hard to orchestrate) What about Jason Baliban? Ghazanfar for a Crypt talk? I suppose we could ask Jay Luto to do something on photographing planted tanks. Any other possibilities? ÂÂThis could be a good opportunity to âtest driveâ a newer speaker that we might want to consider for AGA in the future.  If the BOD agrees that we should do this, we could move the discussion of who to the MC list for more input.  Karen  From: aga-sc-bounces@thekrib.com [mailto:aga-sc-bounces@thekrib.com] On Behalf Of S. Hieber Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:51 AM To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Forums and questions  I should add that, although we don't have final figures yet, we did much better at the convention than I had estimated days befroe the event. With several thousand dollars f savings on Amano travel, very robust DVD sales, and a much higher percetnage of auction sales than we've ever had before, rather than netting in the neighborhood of $2g, the final figure probably will be closer to $6g or $7g. Putting some of that to work at NEC wouldn't be a financial strain.  sh  ________________________________________________________________________________________________ From: S. Hieber <shieber@yahoo.com> To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board <aga-sc@thekrib.com> Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 7:40:37 AM Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Forums and questions I don't see why not. I have watched aquatic gardening become a bigger part of the discussions at NEC over the last few years as more folks in those old traditional fish clubs (some the oldest in America) slowly grew aquatic gardeners. Even when a blizard made it nearly impossoble for so many folks to attend, we still had a decent turnout on Friday (the peak of the blizzard) and a very good turnout on Saturday. I think it would be a great place to usefully apply more of AGA's resources.  sh  ________________________________________________________________________________________________ From: Karen Randall <karenran@verizon.net> To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board <aga-sc@thekrib.com> Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 10:21:39 AM Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Forums and questions Scott wrote:  When we say we , as ome of us sometimes do, AGA should be doing more, what more? What other demand(s) needs to be filled by the AGA?ÂAnd as Karen points out, who will do the more? Imo, this isÂthe form of a realÂidea, such and such specific personsÂshould do such and such specific tasks to accomplish this or that particular thing. The very general stuff, AGA should help clubs (how? who knows?), AGA should change it's mission (to what end? who knows?), isn't really productive. Show me something for which there is a demandÂnot being met in the communityÂand someone in AGA to do some specific tasks toÂmeet thatÂdemand by using AGA resources, that's something real we can deal with. When AGA approaches things that way, it usually does very well -- the convention, TAG, bookstore and DVDs are great examples.  Iâll tell you somewhere that there is a demand and a core group of workers who have consistently, over MANY years now (more than the convention has been in existence) put in a tremendous amount of effort. That is the NEC convention. You could say that âAGAâ does a lot for the convention already. But that really means that Karen, Scott and David do a lot for the NEC convention, and the only back-up is supplies of TAG and brochures. NEC does a LOT for AGA in return. They give us a large meeting room for two hours, free of cost. They give us Vendor room space, free of cost, and they carefully coordinate with me to make sure that the plant speaker they bring in (at large cost to them, and free of cost to AGA) is a well-known, top quality speaker. This is a tremendous amount of exposure for AGAâ You may be seeing a pattern here.<g> There are over 20 local clubs involved with NEC, ranging along the entire northeast seaboard (and a little inland, since there are Pennsylvania clubs as well<g>)  NEC has always brought in a plant speaker. That speaker typically speaks during the main part conference schedule. ÂThen, because I usually know them personally and can work it out, they typically give a second talk at the AGA meeting. This year, NEC is having a âplanted tank themeâ. The âbig nameâ speaker will be Ole Pedersen. But he will already be giving two talks during the main conference schedule, so I hesitate to ask him to do a third. I have also been asked to do an updated version of my Thailand talk for the banquet. (I will have been to Thailand again at that point, so there will be a lot of new material included) There will be a plants-only auction on Friday night as well. I donât think there has ever been a conference, outside of AGA with so much to offer planted tank enthusiasts.  The problem is our AGA meeting on Friday afternoon. Usually, I either have the âmainâ plant speaker do something, or I put together a talk. Sometimes David or Kim Bryan has done something. I suppose I COULD try to put together a second talk for Friday afternoon, but, honestly, Iâd rather not. Could AGA pay for a speaker for that slot? If so, who should we ask? Ole is speaking on: The algal-free planted aquarium - is it really possible? and CO2 fertilization of planted tanks! Why is it sometimes necessary? Karen Â
-- Erik Olson erik at thekrib dot com
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