Hi, John. I'm in about two minds just now over pulling the fry, which is not my usual course of action. As you pointed out the wild card is how strong the imprinting is from the nanny's side. With domesticated animals this sort of thing is not that uncommon - getting chickens to hatch duck eggs etc., but I did not expect to see it in apistos and not where it is so unmanaged. Mind you the world is full of tales of discus herding daphnia. If anyone is the wiser (Helen) one factor I'd like to resolve, is at what stage of development the eggs/fry were in the time frame from Saturday 19:00 when the pikes came out given that yesterday (Monday) pre 18:00 the nanny was herding the fry (temp 80F, pH 6.8, total hardness 4ppm). A few factors I've dismissed at present: Male nijsenni sperm could not be present, male was in the same tank but that was over eight weeks ago. The fry are herding with nanny, thus they are not cory, cardinal and definitely not molly. They are not keyhole, as the territory which the nanny had claimed prior to seeing her with the fry was a bogwood 'cave' area, and as such not a keyhole spawning type area. Also the keyholes have never shown any sign of being gravid or spawning. They are not hybrid, prior to their removal the pikes did not 'associate' with the nijsenni. I would take development photos, but I can see Denise's face when I tell her I want a 200mm macro lens along with the sixteen tanks I've just cudgelled out of her. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!