"Alysoun McLaughlin" wrote: <<< Failure keeping cichlids in the long term Ok, I'm stumped. I've had a planted community tank set up in my living room for about two years now. It's a healthy environment -- or at least, it seems to be for the plants and for certain fish. But I just can't keep cichlids or labyrinth fish. I don't lose the fish when they're first introduced, but in spurts, usually after several months. The latest round included three juvenile angelfish, purchased about two months ago (there are still two surviving quite happily in the tank, no symptoms at all), and three honey dwarf gouramis (one is still surviving happily). All of these fish have died within the last two weeks, although I haven't lost a single cardinal tetra. (..) Symptoms have varied, meaning that sometimes I get skin lesions on the labyrinth fish, or dropsy or emaciation in the dwarf cichlids, or gasping at the surface from angelfish. Most of the time, though, a fish that appears healthy in the afternoon is found dead later in the evening. I'm not the most conscientious aquarium keeper and it's been a very long time since I've tested the nitrates/pH, but it seems to happen when my plants are growing well and I've been maintaining the tank regularly. Perhaps that's the problem? A skin cream or deodorant that could affect certain fish and not others? I just can't figure out what might affect cichlids, labyrinth fish and the occasional catfish, but not affect the cardinal tetras or harlequin rasboras.>>>>>>> Alysoun, it is almost impossible to manage disease outbreaks without doing ALL the necessary homework. Diseases may be environmental, genetic, infective, etc. and all sorts of combinations may occur. So, if you do not establish some firm point of reference, such as whether or not your water quality is acceptable, to then exclude or retain all the other possible explanations becomes practically impossible. Also, basic fish husbandry rules, such as quarantine of new fish, should be followed. So if you do not provide specific details you can post your doubts, get all sorts of answers, and be still as uncertain as you were originally. If instead you check the water quality, and describe exactly and in detail the symptoms you see and those occurred in the past, maybe somebody on the list will be able to make educated guesses on what is going on in your tank specifically. Also, becoming familiar with a fish disease book I am sure will help you a lot to recognize what are the things to look for. Dionigi Maladorno dionigi.maladorno@roche.com This message presents personal opinions which are not necessarily those of my employer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!