>"coloring up" and am just wondering how one judges whether >or not spawning is likely to occur when the color seems to >vary significantly day-to-day. The intensity of the females, and males colour, will vary quite a bit during the day, as various other factors come into play. The most likely explanation of why she is a deeper colour when she emerges from the cave is that when she is in there she has little other social or environmental triggers to adapt her coloration to, and this could be considered a base or neutral colour. When she is out into the open then she unconsciously will respond to other factors; light levels, other fish (or keeper) in the vicinity, etc,. However when she is ready to spawn her belly patch will darken up from the rosy red to an almost aubergine(egg plant) purple, which will not show much variation in intensity from when she leaves the cave. I would not go too much on an increase in girth as an indicator of imminent spawning, it will be present in all cases but the degree of this can vary from female to female and spawn to spawn. I have had colouring-up and spawns from females who I have thought were just a wee bit plump, and have waited for weeks for ones to colour-up that I thought were fit to burst. Once she spawns the rosy red colour tends to return as the norm. Scot ________________________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Star Screening System http: //academy.star.co.uk/public/virustats.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!