Hi Chad, Welcome to the list. Your questions may cook up some debate here. I'll start as I'm an early riser. I'd say your fish were ammonia burned somewhere along the way, and that you offered excellent conditions. However, the medications didn't help. It's important to only treat clear conditions. Antibiotics in pet stores are illegal where I live. I was upset when the law passed a few years ago - now, I lose fewer fish and buy my black market antibiotics at most once every two years. Fish internal medecine is non-existant for most hobbyists. We se an illness and fire a broadside of drugs to maybe cure it. Often, that can kill the fish, although i doubt it in your case. The german fish are bred in soft water then acclimated to harder water for the business. I do well fighting brown algae with new lightbulbs, or more light. I only get it in underlit tanks. Your hydra? I wish I knew. Copper medications reduce them, but aren't great for the fish. All commercial hydra-whackers and list suggestions have failed for me. I've learned to live with them. They come and go with the brine shrimp feedings. Since I've started feeding more decapsulated brine shrimp, I've seen a serious decrease in hydra. Keep posting, Gary Chad Attlesey wrote: Further information: I am told > that these Pandurinis are German bread in relatively high pH (7.5+) and high > hardness in hopes of making them more hardy for the general pet industry. > Has anyone heard of this? Could this have contributed to the problem I had? > > 1) Is there a good, reliable way of getting rid of brown algae without > taking out fish in the tank? > > 2( I have an outbreak of these weird little organisms all over two of my > tanks. They look like hydra without the arms. They are whit, > semi-transparent, have filaments that attach to any and all surfaces and end > in a ball or mushroom shape -----@. They are everywhere. What are they and > how can get rid of them without nuking my fish? > Chad (are first names OK?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!