Pete, Is it Wigan Pier Aquatics that have these fish? Have they any other Apistos at present? Thanks, Ken - Edinburgh. ps the "meglar" sound like they should be Melgar. Julio Melgar is also selling A. sp "albertini" (see http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jsmelgar/fishlist.html) so should be able to provide specific info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!