Gabriella is right about Big John - but I could maybe help too. I've lost Kyle's message, so Kyle, if you could contact me offlist at fraulels@minet.ca, I may be able to help out. I don't sell fish, but I'm the ASG area rep. When this is done in the AKA (killifish) as part of their mentoring program, reps sometimes offer a free pair of killies to any local person who joins, so I'll offer the same in apistogramma terms for regional ASG newcomers who want to pick the fish up (no shipping). -Gary Elson Verdun, Qc (Montreal area - but passing through Ottawa on Saturday) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!