yep, they do not seem to breed together. I hoped to inject some new blood in my german lines with wilds, no luck. I could not find any love recepies... Another question. It seems like here are 3 dif. lines of rams - elegant germans, robust wilds, and what is the third one? They are not as robust as wild, although more bodied than germans, with spectacular colors matching germans. What are these, any opinions? Best, Lilia ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!