Hi Does anyone have any experience with these guys. I just went out to North Tonowanda yesterday ( I am nuts, a 6 hour drive one way ) to check out what The Fish Place had for apistos. Well I came home with a few things, but what i'm getting at here is they had a tank with a dozen or less nicelyl colored Tucurui. I passed on them because i thought they were all females. All the fish had nice black markings on their pelvic fins. Thinking this was a female trait i didnt get any because I didn't just want girls. Well after getting home, I looked in Romers book Cichliden Atlas and it shows males with black pelvic fins. Is this correct?? Please tell me i didnt leave Buffalo with no Tucurui because i was stupid. They really looked nice too. Not knowing much about them I passed until I knew more. Hope it didn't make a mistake. For anyone on the list in the area, they also had a tank with some nice young Mendezi with a location, tank FULL of female Panduros ( no males), gorgeous Orange Flash Cacatuoides, tank full of female Viejita ll's, Cruzi and some westies. My nice buy of the day is a gorgeous pair of Nanochromis Transvestitus. Hope I'm lucky with them this time around. They also had Subocellatus Matadi, Taeniatus Nigerian Red, tons of other stuff. Sorry if I sound like I'm promoting the place. If you have ever been there, you can't help but love the place. Jake and Pete run a great shop. I love the place so much i made the 6 hour trip through a snow storm just to go there. You name it they have it. Any help on the Tucurui would be appreciated. I would go back and get the rest of the tank if I knew how to sex them properly. Thanks alot John Wubbolt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!