Thank you all for your advice and recommendations. Something finally worked, I can't remember who exactly said it but patience was the ultimate factor. My A. Cacatuoides have a brood of 15-20 fry in my tank. I did a jig on Saturday a.m. when I first saw them. It took my two females four clutches of eggs each before I found free swimmers. The little 'uns are now 3mm and eating BBS until their bellies are pink with shrimp. Probably old hand for most of you reading this but remember back to your first clutch and forgive me my tyrade for it will be my last about such trivial matters. I'm changing 10% of H20 every 36 hours and watching parameters closely. I intend to leave them in for a couple of weeks with the mother until they are large enough for the rearing tank. Is there anything special I need to know before moving them? I will post questions for the nursery at a later date. Thanks for listening. The OVAS annual auction was a success. K. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!