Mike, When differentiating the ID between the two forms, I see a definite difference in the black around the scales you are talking about when comparing Randy's photo to Uwe's photo on David Soares site. When you started listing the color forms near the end, you didn't include what "shows up as" purple in the Photo on David Soares' website, and again on Julio Melgar's site. In the eye of the beholder leads me to believe that the fish in Uwe's photo is "Purple". Am I seeing in the photo (and I know color doesn't matter in the ID ;-)) a reflected color, or a body color? And, is this a Type I Tefe? If not, do you know of a good reference photo for the Type I? And if it isn't a Type I, what is it? As a side note, became interested in apistos because of the spectacular photo by Uwe Romer on Dave's site. Someday when I get the husbandry down, I was hoping to keep a pair of them for no other reason than to enjoy the uniqueness of that fish. REF: Uwe Romer's photo @ David Soares' site... http://geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/7918/aggriotefe.gif Julio Melgar's photo... http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jsmelgar/images/Aatefema.gif Randy's Type II (Per Mike) BTW, Beautiful Fish! http://characin.com/carey/species/cichlid/apistos/a_tefe.html Thanks for the info... Phil PS. I just finished a tank stand to hold 6 15 gallon tanks and a Daphnia culture in my bedroom... I finally convinced my wife that fish would make a lovely decoration! ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@bewellnet.com> <---snip---> Randy's photo of Tefé shows the many wavy horizontal lines that characterize the Tefé II form of the specie. The 2 forms of this species can be easily separated by the pattern of horizontal stripes on the flanks. Tefé I has stripes composed of dark pigment only on the front edges of the scales. The same stripes in Tefé II are formed by black pigment surrounding the entire outer edges of the scales. Crossing the 2 forms reportedly produces only Tefé I type horizontal stripes, so the type II form must be recessive. Color forms are in the eyes of the owner. In Koslowski's 1994 article on Apistos of the Rio Tefé he pictures a red backed and a white form of what appear to be Tefé I and a yellow form of Tefé II. He doesn't distinguish between the 2 forms. Matsuzaka's book Aquarium 2300 Atlas shows a yellow & a blue Tefé, both Tefé II. That's the latest info that I have. Mike Wise ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!