OK, OK It was inappropriate, I will be more subject sensitive in the future. Let's end this thread, it is wasting too much of everybody's Apisto time. P.S. My A. cacatuoides fry have now attained a length of 7 mm, they are ten days old. Kyle 'can't hatch brine shrimp fast enough' Beaudry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!