Hi Sam When I first started 'playing' with Rams I was told that the water had to be under about 80ppm hardness for the eggs to be fertilised. Apparently if the water is too hard the egg shell hardens ? before the male can fertilise them. Regards Steph > wingko yung wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Not exactly apistogramma...but close enough I hope... > > I've been 'playing around' with gold rams for some time now. They > spawn exactly every 2 weeks. I've found that no matter what I do, > adding meth. blue, water changes, etc. they always fungused within 48 > hours in my tap water. My water is usually around the following > parameters (taken with tetra test kits): > 8 pH; 7 GH; 5 KH; temp. 27-28 C; dont' have a conductivity meter. > After a couple months of this, I decided to let the fish spawn in 3 > parts r/o water and 1 part tap, which gave the following parameters > (again taken with tetra test kits): 7-7.5 pH; 4-5 GH; 2 KH; temp. > still around 27-28 C. Finally, most of the eggs hatched (even without > meth. blue). > > I know that many apistos and such need soft water to properly > fertilize their eggs. However, I would have thought that fish like > the gold ram that has likely been bred in captivity for many > generations would be able to have viable babies in normal tap water > (even my rather disagreable stuff)? Has anyone else had trouble > getting baby rams...I know that their extremely easy to breed, but I > understand that they are often hard to get fry from. How do you do > it? > > Sam Yung ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!