Hi Mac I've got Pearls, and a model citizen '3 Spot' or blue gourami female plus a bunch of dwarf gouramis and honeys all in the same tank with 5 clown loaches. Do I have snails???? Yup, but not an out of control population of them......I think the clowns may get some of the ones I've tossed in there from other tanks. But the ones who make it to the upper regions grow enormous. These are ramshorns BTW. (I have to concur about Cosby Strain of Blue Gouramis - nasty buggers - they were banished to the lfs. It didn't make any difference if they were alone or together. And it didn't help when they spawned almost immediately after I brought them home. It was a 'zoo' in the tank. I think they need a big pond. :) They weren't in the same tank as the Pearls etc.) In all tanks with apistos and bolivian rams there is 'snail control'; i.e. a few but not a problem. I do have Malaysians everywhere, but I like those little cleaner-uppers. Maybe I'm partial to creatures who are parthenogenic.:) One good thing is that if one crushes the snails between ones fingers and then drops them in the tank, all fish go wild for the snail meat. Sometimes, when I find snails at the surface (oh cruel woman) I do this. Escargot to go. Gabriella > There's also a species of Anabantoid which eats snails but cannot remember > which species I'm afraid. I read somewhere that Trichogaster leeri (pearl gourami) are fond of snail. mac orion@tri-isys.com Phillipines ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!