David, Actually this is typical behavior for most apistos in large tanks and apparently in the wild, too. The male's primary role is to patrol the perimeter of his territory, driving away intruders. The female's job is to guard the fry within her own breeding territory. In this way the male is used a a first line of defense for the fry by reducing the number of fish that enter the female's brood territory. Female social interaction is a very interesting part of apisto behavior. It seems that most hobbyists don't realize that it is not just the males that stake out territories. Females are just as territorial - if not more so. Females set up an order of dominance just like males, only their territories are usually smaller. If there isn't enough space for all of the females to have a territory, the "low man on the totem pole" usually is killed by the other females. Often the claim of a female being killed by a male is wrong; it's the other females trying to drive her out of their breeding territories that causes their deaths! Female territories vary with their duties. When not breeding they usually guard an area around their preferred breeding site. Once they spawn and are guarding eggs & larvae, the territory expands to about 4" (10 cm) around the breeding cave (for the typical apisto). Once the female has mobile fry this territory expands considerably, to about 12" (30 cm) around the breeding site. If it interacts with another female's territory at this time she will try to drive out the other female. As often as not the fry are dispersed & lost in these fights. This is also why males get trashed by brooding females in small tanks while they are ignored while she is not guarding fry. The male can't get out of her expanded brood territory. A male of a true polygamous species will attempt to expand his territory to encompass as many females' territories as possible. Such males are usually much larger than their females. It's assumed that this increased size helps him guard a larger territory. It certainly doesn't help him avoid predators. I consider most regani-group species, like A. piauiensis, casually polygamous. It mean that if a male can hold a territory with more than one female's territory in it he will, and will breed with each female. If, however, space is limited and competition is high these males will restrict their territory to encompass only one female's breeding territory. Helen's 18x18" (45x45cm) tank is large enough to adequately house her piauiensis pair. It is sufficiently large for a male to move out of the female's brood territory. Even 2 females might work in such a small tank, but if both had broods at the same time, problems no doubt would occur. This, of course, is also dependent on how the tank is aquascaped. Mike Wise David Colin Gorton wrote: > do you think that this behaviour from the male might indicate that they're > hareem breeders then? > > >From: "Helen Burns" <helen.burns@bigwig.net> > >Reply-To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com > >To: <apisto@majordomo.pobox.com> > >Subject: Apisto Piauensis > >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:53:27 +0100 > > > >John, > >I got this species last year. Easy species, breed like rabbits. My pair, > >in a species tank had 3 week old fry in the tank when they spawned again. > >I > >had to remove the fry to another tank as neither the off the pair tolerated > >the fry. I found it was the female who solely cared for the free swimming > >fry while the male stayed out of the way. He never caused any bother and > >the female never bothered him. > >Tank: 18"x18"x8" tall, sand substrate, small clay pots, floating plants, > >sponge filtration and pH6. - 6.5. > >Helen > > > Now could someone give me more info or experiences on Apisto Piauensis? > > > My trio is strarting to really grow now and one of the females is > > > starting to become a bit yellow, hopefully this is a good sign. Anyone > > > who has worked with these guys and could give me some insights would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > John Wubbolt > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > >For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > >email apisto-request@listbox.com. > >Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List > >Archives"! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. 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