All these new Peruvian species are causing a lot of havoc. Here is what I think. The "Winkelfleck/Angle-spot" is a separate species from the "Cara Pintada". The first one, as Mike mentioned, comes from the Rio Orosa which is a tributary to the Rio Amazonas. The Cara Pintada comes from a small Quebrada (Qda. Zavalillo) that runs into the Rio Itaya. Part of the confusion comes from the fact that both have been exported as Cara Pintada because of the red markings on the face. Mike can do a much better and more eloquent description of the differences. I just posted pictures at the following addresses. Just remember, think black and white: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jsmelgar/images/Winkelfleck.jpg http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jsmelgar/images/Winkelfleck2.jpg http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jsmelgar/images/Carapintada.jpg http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jsmelgar/images/Carapintada2.jpg Similarly, I don't think that the A. sp. "Rio Nanay" is the same species as the A. sp. Papagien- (Algodon I, Parrot, or Papagayo). I have seen lists that have A. sp. "Rio Nanay" Parrot. This makes matters very confusing as both are separate species from completely different localities. The Parrot Apisto comes from a tributary to the Rio Ampiyacu and the Nanay Apisto comes from a tributary to the Rio Momon. I have pictures of both at our site for comparison. Again, Mike, take over from here. Sorry for the long message, Julio ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!