Re: Apistogramma baby face

[Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@bewellnet.com>]

Julio is correct. Koslowski recognizes a light & a
dark form of Winkelfleck. In
Germany they were often mixed together in
shipments and hard to tell apart. As
far as I know, no one knows which form comes from
Pebas (Rio Orosa) and which
comes from Iquitos (Rio Itaya).
Koslowski found that when given a chance the color
form males only bred with
their own color form females & ignored the others.
He believes they are 2
separate but closely related species.

With regards to A. sp. Papagien (Algodon
I/Parrot/Papagayo), Julio is also
correct. Römer introduced this species in Germany
under the name A. sp. Nanay. He
mistakenly believed that it was the same fish that
Julio brought back from Peru
early last year. It is not the same fish. A. sp.
Papagien (Algodon
I/Parrot/Papagayo) is a fish closely related to A.
sp. Pebas. Both have a double
caudal spot roughly similar to that in A.
commbrae. A. sp. Nanay is a fish more
closely related to A. sp. Putumayo (= A. sp.
Parallelstreifen/Parallel-striped in
Linke & Staeck's book) & A. sp. Algodon 2 on
Julio's web page. It has a normal,
single caudal spot.
I wish everyone who has the Parrot Apisto would
stop using the name "A. sp.
Algodon I". It does not come from anywhere near
the Rio Algodon & just confuses
the issue.

Koslowski recently started sorting out the species
in a 2-part article in DATZ
(12/99 & 1/00). The ASG plans to reprint this
series in English in the
Apisto-Gram later this year. It will be well worth
waiting for.

BTW, I still have no idea what A. sp. Baby-face
is. Any photos of it out there??

Mike Wise

Jota Melgar wrote:

> All these new Peruvian species are causing a lot of havoc. Here is what I
> think.
>
> The "Winkelfleck/Angle-spot" is a separate species from the "Cara Pintada".
> The first one, as Mike mentioned, comes from the Rio Orosa which is a
> tributary to the Rio Amazonas. The Cara Pintada comes from a small Quebrada
> (Qda. Zavalillo) that runs into the Rio Itaya. Part of the confusion comes
> from the fact that both have been exported as Cara Pintada because of the
> red markings on the face. Mike can do a much better and more eloquent
> description of the differences. I just posted pictures at the following
> addresses. Just remember, think black and white:
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jsmelgar/images/Winkelfleck.jpg
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jsmelgar/images/Winkelfleck2.jpg
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jsmelgar/images/Carapintada.jpg
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jsmelgar/images/Carapintada2.jpg
>
> Similarly, I don't think that the A. sp. "Rio Nanay" is the same species as
> the A. sp. Papagien- (Algodon I, Parrot, or Papagayo). I have seen lists
> that have A. sp. "Rio Nanay" Parrot. This makes matters very confusing as
> both are separate species from completely different localities. The Parrot
> Apisto comes from a tributary to the Rio Ampiyacu and the Nanay Apisto
> comes from a tributary to the Rio Momon. I have pictures of both at our
> site for comparison. Again, Mike, take over from here.
>
> Sorry for the long message,
>
> Julio
>
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