Hello Everyone, I'm usually a lurker and don't come on here very often (beginning apistophile), but I appreciate the valuable information that everyone provides on these little beauties. Anyways, I was wondering if anyone knows of a good place to purchase a bunch of wild rams. I have cleared up quite a bit of room and am ready to start breeding some wild rams. I've never had luck keeping the domesticated fish as I can't seem to find good quality fish around town. So, I'm looking to get some wild rams and give it a go. I believe that they're better parents that the domestic ones anyhow. On another note, I recently was able to get my hands on a trio of wild cactoides (sp.). I think that they're still a little young, but they're already starting to do the displaying. After three weeks of quarantine, they were moved into my 29G planted tank yesterday. They like that environment much better and started establishing their own territories. Really cool fish. I was wondering how large they have to get before they're sexually mature and what are some signs of breeding. Does the female get the nice yellow color and will the male color up a bit more? His colors are kind of drab, but that's to be expected from wild versus color breed fish. He's still pretty and has this nice bit of red in the dorsal fin that my wife loves. Thanks, Bailin "Just do it...unless someone else can do it for you!" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!