Kenny check around in the tank for a little pit with wigglers in it, my kribs always move the fry when they become wigglers to a different location. The parents might be guarding them but in a different spot. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!