Kenny If there are no wigglers anywhere be patient, they will spawn again, once kribs start spawning its hard to get them to stop, you might just have a young pair that needs a few times to get it down pat ( the spawning process) You will get fry sooner or later. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!