Sam Yes i have, my rams came from a pet shop in North Tonowanda and were labeled as locally tank raised rams. Nice fish too. I have had one pair that would raise their fry and have had other pairs that wouldn't, but same goes with some of my apistos. Guess it's a compatability thing. But to say that Commercially bred Rams won't raise their fry just isn't so. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!