Hi Kyle, John and the rest of you, Thanks for being so encouraging! This is my first time with Kribs and so I'm a bit unsure and not knowing what to expect, except that they're easy spawners and great parents. The kribs that I have were bought just 6 weeks ago, and according to the owner of the LFS, they have just matured or near maturity and have not spawned before. So, I guess they're still learning the ropes. Talking about wild rams, I've just acquired a pair of rams, which are F1 generation of wildly caught rams. The owner claims that they have been raised by their parents and have not been hormone treated. And they cost US $23 here in Singapore, which is considered expensive (a normal tank raised ram cost about US 1.50 here). I'm going to try breeding them as well. Cheers, Kenny ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!