Hi, Mike, Marco, Danny. One factor makes me think that Danny's labelling of Rio Xie may be right, and apologies to Danny in advance if the following sounds a bit patronising. The Japanese on the whole tend not to transliterate latin alphabet based names into Japanese characters where they are of importance, e.g. names. When my sister was over there a few years ago she was amazed by this attention to detail. Unlike english speakers will happily transliterate out any non-standard characters from any other language; umlauts (bet I spelt that wrong), acutes, fatas, etc. For example on the following Japanese web pages you can see this honoured: http://village.infoweb.ne.jp/~fwhy8255/page/fish.htm http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand/2181/ga1.html http://www.ca.sakura.ne.jp/~adh/gallery/gallery.html (one of the best apisto sites I know) http://www.geocities.co.jp/AnimalPark/8200/Frame-1.htm -----Original Message----- From: Mike & Diane Wise [mailto:apistowise@bewellnet.com] Sent: 06 April 2000 20:15 To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com Subject: Re: about Rio Xie Danny, Thanks for the information. I think your Rio Xie (She e) is actually the Rio Içana (E shawn' ah). It is hard to translate names exactly from the western alphabet into Japanese. The Rio Içana is a right bank tributary of the Rio Negro about 50 km upstream from the Rio Uaupés. Trop Rio has been bringing in some new species from this area recently, including a new form of A. elizabethae. There is also a species called A. sp. Içana that has not been published yet. It is a uaupesi-like fish. I will email you about this privately. The true A. meinkeni is a small apisto (5 cm/2") related to A. pertensis, but looks very different it & A. cf. meinkeni. A. meinkeni is not as slender as A. pertensis or A. cf. meinkeni, nor is the dorsal fin as large and sail-like. It is similar to A. sp. Tiquié (Pisces, page 124 & SA Cichlids II, page 70). Mike Wise bitaenian wrote: > Hi Mike, Scot, > > Thank you for your quick replies. I heard that Rio Xie is > one of the upper stream of Rio Negro. Because I do not have > any detailed maps or reference books aound there, I cannot > conclude whether "Rio Xie" and "Rio Xingu" is identical or not. > However, since I have seen the fishes "A. elizabethae (Rio Xie)" > and "A. elizabethae (Rio Xingu)" in a same shop, I guess "Rio > Xie" and "Rio Xingu" is not identical. > > Yamazaki Book (in Japan, it often called "pieces" book) is one > of the most popular references in Japan. In that book, he says > that > "A. minkeny (spelling?) is the pertensis-like fish with anal spot$B!&!&!&(B" > but it does not tell me more about this fish. So A. sp. Rio Xie might > be closely allied to A. minkeny. Anyway A. minkeny is also not so > popular in Japan. > > Danny, Japan. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Star Screening System http://academy.star.co.uk/public/virustats.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!