Mr. Fish wrote: > The fish that eat their babies see no reason to allow them to grow up > and compete with their limited food resources. And their limited space > resources as well. > I dunno - it seems too neat to me. Could it be that the fish, which in the wild has evolved to hold a territory maybe 10 foot square (ie. Pelvicachromis pulcher) can't handle its inability to clear its territory in the much smaller tank? Whatever it does, the predators (us included) won't go out of its sight. How does it react to that frustration? Some calm down with successive spawnings (becoming 'good parents'), others never control their misplaced aggression, especially if water conditions are another stressor. Fish raised in aquaria are often easier to breed than wild-caught ones. Now, maybe their metabolisms are used to the water, or maybe they've genetically adapted to aquaria, but I can't help but wonder if it's simply that they 'understand' their habitat, whereas wild fish are often in fear of the weird stimuli coming from within and without the tank, and never really settle down completely. On the other side, I remember my Cleithracara maronii guarding their fry religiously from their tankmates, then going off on perfectly idiotic looking swims together, for maybe ten minutes a day. Once I finished cursing them, it occured to me that where they come from, going out for a bite to eat as a couple must be possible. Maybe the vegetation/population/choice of spawning sites makes that make sense, where in a tankful of opportunistic apistos, it made them look like the dumbest creatures on the planet. It's all speculation, but I find it interesting. Not being convinced anyone else does, I shall go away now. Gary > Obviously they can't stop them selves from multiplying but they can stop > them selves from depleting their limited resources, > Again, we haven't even figured that one out. Are fish ahead of us on that one. Maybe. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!